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hi moderator minihune...
i live in las vegas ....which is pretty much all summer....not too much highways.. a lot of local drives.....streets
would you recommend UHP or just normal quality comfortable tires...
i don't think i necessary need high performance..what do you think???
i live in las vegas ....which is pretty much all summer....not too much highways.. a lot of local drives.....streets
would you recommend UHP or just normal quality comfortable tires...
i don't think i necessary need high performance..what do you think???
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Las Vegas has generally good weather and mostly dry.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
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Las Vegas has generally good weather and mostly dry.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
Ultra High Performance Summer tires are the same tires mentioned before-
At some sites they are easier to find as a class such as at tirerack.com in 215/45-17 you get-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Another example is Falken Fk452
http://edgeracing.com/tire/2635/
in 215/45-17 $86 each 300 treadwear 23.2 lbs
205/45-17 doesn't give as many tires to choose from.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Since you are looking at tires that will fit the 17" wheel then
take a look at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....lot+Exalto+PE2
Comes in both
205/45-17 $124 each special 20 lbs
215/45-17 $165 each 22 lbs
And has good balance of street comfort and good handling. 240 treadwear
At some sites they are easier to find as a class such as at tirerack.com in 215/45-17 you get-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Another example is Falken Fk452
http://edgeracing.com/tire/2635/
in 215/45-17 $86 each 300 treadwear 23.2 lbs
205/45-17 doesn't give as many tires to choose from.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Since you are looking at tires that will fit the 17" wheel then
take a look at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....lot+Exalto+PE2
Comes in both
205/45-17 $124 each special 20 lbs
215/45-17 $165 each 22 lbs
And has good balance of street comfort and good handling. 240 treadwear
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Ultra High Performance Summer tires are the same tires mentioned before-
At some sites they are easier to find as a class such as at tirerack.com in 215/45-17 you get-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Another example is Falken Fk452
http://edgeracing.com/tire/2635/
in 215/45-17 $86 each 300 treadwear 23.2 lbs
205/45-17 doesn't give as many tires to choose from.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Since you are looking at tires that will fit the 17" wheel then
take a look at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....lot+Exalto+PE2
Comes in both
205/45-17 $124 each special 20 lbs
215/45-17 $165 each 22 lbs
And has good balance of street comfort and good handling. 240 treadwear
At some sites they are easier to find as a class such as at tirerack.com in 215/45-17 you get-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Another example is Falken Fk452
http://edgeracing.com/tire/2635/
in 215/45-17 $86 each 300 treadwear 23.2 lbs
205/45-17 doesn't give as many tires to choose from.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true
Since you are looking at tires that will fit the 17" wheel then
take a look at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....lot+Exalto+PE2
Comes in both
205/45-17 $124 each special 20 lbs
215/45-17 $165 each 22 lbs
And has good balance of street comfort and good handling. 240 treadwear
are michellin pilot sport or pilot primacy a good balance between performance and comfort?
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Las Vegas has generally good weather and mostly dry.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
Max performance or UHP Summer tires with good comfort would be a good fit for you. If you don't drive that many miles per year then any tire rated about 240 will be fine for you. Just keep tire pressures up and rotate every 3000 miles.
Some tire classes-
Extreme Performance Summer
A good example is Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Comes in 205/45-17 and 215/45-17
Very good dry and wet performance and reasonably good street comfort
Treadwear only 140 to 180. Anyone with performance/handling needs and dry or wet weather conditions can consider this tire.
For dry conditions only there are many choices.
Good for driving events, track lapping, street class autocross.
Max Performance Summer
Good example is Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Good in both dry and wet but treadwear can be better than Extreme performance class. Comfort can vary between tire models. Handling tends to be better than UHP summer tires as a class.
Ultra High Performance Summer
Many good tires some with more comfort and some with very good handling.
More value available, some with longer treadwear.
Ultra High Performance All Season
Many good tires for the MINI, usually longer treadwear, some more expensive and some more value oriented. Variable street comfort. Moderately good handling in dry and wet- some variation. Can be used in snow- some better than others.
High Performance All Season
Good choice or plain commuting in any MINI, perfectly good for base Cooper.
Not a good choice for track or driving school (usually summer tires do better).
Many are H-speed rated and don't handled heat as well during performance driving. Can be used in snow, often longer treadwear. Some good values.
Grand Touring All Season
More for comfort and longer treadwear. Some expensive and can be used in the snow. Not as good handling as summer tires but for street driving can be fine. If you like wearing out tires and replacing them every two years then don't get these but if you want tires that last 4+ years or can take high mileage driving then this is worth checking on.
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OVERDRIVE - Racing Champion
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Max Performance summer tires will tend to handling a little better than most Ultra High Performance Summer tires. They can wear faster and some can be comfortable in either class.
GSD3 is good overall and balanced. Comfortable, not harsh. Not inexpensive. Moderate wear for Max tire. Not for the budget minded.
Good for those who like to drive hard.
Comfort is a relative term- try finding other MINIs in your area and go for a test ride. See if you can go to a local MINI event and look at the various tires and wheels. If you try it out then you can decide what you think.
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin/michelin.jsp
In Max Performance Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Sport
smallest size is
225/45-17 $184 each 220 treadwear fits 17x7 rim 24.8" tire diam. a little taller than stock but might be OK with stock suspension. 22 lbs
Tests well vs Goodyear GSD3
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=45
Handling in dry good, comfort good. (wet not so good)
In Grand Touring Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Primacy
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Pilot+Primacy
215/45-17 $139 each special price 240 treadwear 22 lbs
Tests
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=27
Similar in comfort (maybe a tad less) not as good for handling.
Maybe longer treadlife by a little, lower price.
Good tire for a family sedan
If looking at Grand Touring tires in 215/45-17 then in All Season tires-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...r=17&type=GTAS
Goodyear Eagle ResponseEdge $125 each 440 treadwear
Tests-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=86
Not many come in good MINI sizes for 17" wheels.
Minihune:
You wrote:
In Max Performance Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Sport
smallest size is
225/45-17 $184 each 220 treadwear fits 17x7 rim 24.8" tire diam. a little taller than stock but might be OK with stock suspension. 22 lbs
I am looking to upgrade from my stock Pirelli Eufori 205/45-17 runflats. JCW pkg, but just enginestuff and brakes, no suspension mods. Could you help with a few questions please?
1. I want wider and like those Pilot Sports even though they are pricey, but 225/45, seems like a huge tire, I thought the only hope in a 225 would be a 225/40 ??
2. You mention a 7" rim would work and I have stock S-lites that are 7". However the tirerack sez a 7.5" is required. Is that significant? Should I really be running a 7.5" wheel for these tires?
3. Please compare these tires relative to my stock Pirellis for handling, comfort, noise, as you know everything is relative.
Thanks for the help.......
You wrote:
In Max Performance Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Sport
smallest size is
225/45-17 $184 each 220 treadwear fits 17x7 rim 24.8" tire diam. a little taller than stock but might be OK with stock suspension. 22 lbs
I am looking to upgrade from my stock Pirelli Eufori 205/45-17 runflats. JCW pkg, but just enginestuff and brakes, no suspension mods. Could you help with a few questions please?
1. I want wider and like those Pilot Sports even though they are pricey, but 225/45, seems like a huge tire, I thought the only hope in a 225 would be a 225/40 ??
2. You mention a 7" rim would work and I have stock S-lites that are 7". However the tirerack sez a 7.5" is required. Is that significant? Should I really be running a 7.5" wheel for these tires?
3. Please compare these tires relative to my stock Pirellis for handling, comfort, noise, as you know everything is relative.
Thanks for the help.......
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2packt, I've read a few of your posts and a recurring theme seems to be that "comfort" is more important to you than "performance". Both these terms can be very subjective. I don't know what your definition of "comfort" is. My point is, if someone tells you that this tire or that has pretty good comfort, it may or may not (most probably not) correspond to your definition. A lot of posters (I would guess most) in this forum are enthusiast, performance oriented drivers. What they may consider relatively good comfort, will come up far short for someone who is looking for a luxury sedan ride (for example).
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
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Minihune:
You wrote:
In Max Performance Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Sport
smallest size is
225/45-17 $184 each 220 treadwear fits 17x7 rim 24.8" tire diam. a little taller than stock but might be OK with stock suspension. 22 lbs
I am looking to upgrade from my stock Pirelli Eufori 205/45-17 runflats. JCW pkg, but just enginestuff and brakes, no suspension mods. Could you help with a few questions please?
1. I want wider and like those Pilot Sports even though they are pricey, but 225/45, seems like a huge tire, I thought the only hope in a 225 would be a 225/40 ??
2. You mention a 7" rim would work and I have stock S-lites that are 7". However the tirerack sez a 7.5" is required. Is that significant? Should I really be running a 7.5" wheel for these tires?
3. Please compare these tires relative to my stock Pirellis for handling, comfort, noise, as you know everything is relative.
Thanks for the help.......
You wrote:
In Max Performance Summer tires-
Michelin Pilot Sport
smallest size is
225/45-17 $184 each 220 treadwear fits 17x7 rim 24.8" tire diam. a little taller than stock but might be OK with stock suspension. 22 lbs
I am looking to upgrade from my stock Pirelli Eufori 205/45-17 runflats. JCW pkg, but just enginestuff and brakes, no suspension mods. Could you help with a few questions please?
1. I want wider and like those Pilot Sports even though they are pricey, but 225/45, seems like a huge tire, I thought the only hope in a 225 would be a 225/40 ??
2. You mention a 7" rim would work and I have stock S-lites that are 7". However the tirerack sez a 7.5" is required. Is that significant? Should I really be running a 7.5" wheel for these tires?
3. Please compare these tires relative to my stock Pirellis for handling, comfort, noise, as you know everything is relative.
Thanks for the help.......
What are you going to use the tires for? Street only, track, autocross, driving school events?
Why do you need wider tires? For looks?
225/40-17 only gets you competition tires good for track or autocross.
Generally 225/45-17 (although a common size) is too large for the MINI. The tire itself is both wider and taller than stock so the tire looks oversized for the MINI and there is risk of rubbing in the rear under load. There is speedo and odometer error.
If you have stock 17" wheels then the two sizes to check first would be-
205/45-17
see
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=122309
Post #8 for some examples.
215/45-17
See posts #5 and 9 in this tread for more comfort oriented tires.
Both these sizes do come in the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R which is an Extreme Performance Summer tire with strong handling wet or dry and very good comfort but it does wear faster treadwear 180.
7" rim will work with 225/45-17 tire. It fits rims 7-8.5" wide, perfect fit for 7.5" wide rim but not limited to that size.
Pirelli runflats handle OK, but that aren't that comfortable or quiet.
There are many threads already on various nonrunflat tire options in all of the MINI sizes. Try a search. Need more info, try emailing or talk to Alex@tirerack.
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2packt, I've read a few of your posts and a recurring theme seems to be that "comfort" is more important to you than "performance". Both these terms can be very subjective. I don't know what your definition of "comfort" is. My point is, if someone tells you that this tire or that has pretty good comfort, it may or may not (most probably not) correspond to your definition. A lot of posters (I would guess most) in this forum are enthusiast, performance oriented drivers. What they may consider relatively good comfort, will come up far short for someone who is looking for a luxury sedan ride (for example).
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
Minihune:
My driving is ~80% street. No snow or ice, some wet conditions as I am in Austin,TX.
A little wider certainly looks better and I would generally expect better handling with more grip.
It would seem that whether I stay with the stock 17 X 7, or upgrade to 17 X 7.5 aftermarket, 215/45-17 is a good selection.
Thanks for the help.........
My driving is ~80% street. No snow or ice, some wet conditions as I am in Austin,TX.
A little wider certainly looks better and I would generally expect better handling with more grip.
It would seem that whether I stay with the stock 17 X 7, or upgrade to 17 X 7.5 aftermarket, 215/45-17 is a good selection.
Thanks for the help.........
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wow thanx for understanding me..yea i was just wondering if diff tires could deliver smoother ride than the runflats.. i know r53s can not offer comfort like lexus but i wanted to find out to best of my ability... i think i'd be interested in falken 452 which will be better tires than my run-flats...what do you think?
I would forget about summer uhp tires, since they really are oriented towards maximum performance and that's not your focus. Actually, I just rechecked the Consumer Reports and it shows the Falken 452 in the summer uhp category where it rated 12th out of 21, with average scores for noise and ride comfort along with worse than average tread life.
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I have no experience with the Falken 452, so no opinion there, but here's some more info that might help you: Consumer Reports Nov 07 issue rated all season and summer ultra high performance tires (these are separate categories). Among the 15 all season uhp tires tested, only two were rated better than average in both noise and ride comfort. These are the Nitto Neo Gen ZR (which rated second overall) and the Continental ContiExtremeContact (which rated sixth overall). Both tires are around $100, so pretty reasonably priced. I don't know who sells Nittos, but the Continental is available from Tire Rack. Unfortunately, the Goodyear F1 All Season was not included in the Consumer Reports test - probably too new. If I were in your shoes, putting comfort first, I would narrow my choices down to these two. I'd probably pick the Continental over the Nitto, since it scored higher for tread life and rolling resistance (which affects fuel economy) and was at least average or better on all other performance categories.
I would forget about summer uhp tires, since they really are oriented towards maximum performance and that's not your focus. Actually, I just rechecked the Consumer Reports and it shows the Falken 452 in the summer uhp category where it rated 12th out of 21, with average scores for noise and ride comfort along with worse than average tread life.
I would forget about summer uhp tires, since they really are oriented towards maximum performance and that's not your focus. Actually, I just rechecked the Consumer Reports and it shows the Falken 452 in the summer uhp category where it rated 12th out of 21, with average scores for noise and ride comfort along with worse than average tread life.
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Yes, a significant improvement over runflats, but there are quieter tires. However, you give up some handling for the reduction in noise.
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2packt, I've read a few of your posts and a recurring theme seems to be that "comfort" is more important to you than "performance". Both these terms can be very subjective. I don't know what your definition of "comfort" is. My point is, if someone tells you that this tire or that has pretty good comfort, it may or may not (most probably not) correspond to your definition. A lot of posters (I would guess most) in this forum are enthusiast, performance oriented drivers. What they may consider relatively good comfort, will come up far short for someone who is looking for a luxury sedan ride (for example).
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
Reading between the lines of your posts, if you are looking for a magic tire that will transform your MCS to give it a luxury ride, forget about it. Your R53, by its design and limitations, will never have a luxury sedan ride. It's not only about the tires, it's about the whole package.
When I replied to your first post about Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I told you I went with GSD3's because I was more interested in performance. Well, I just came back tonight from my first track day on the GSD3's. I was happy with their performance on track, but maybe more relevant to you is my impression of the drive home. Interstates all the way, but here in the Bay Area, our interstates can be terrible. There are long stretches of rutted, washboard lanes. On these stretches, honestly, I could not distinguish the GSD3's from the previous runflats, because the ride was awfully jarring.
Is changing your car rather than your tires an option? From reviews, the consensus seems to be that the R56 offers significant improvement in comfort. You may find far more difference in "comfort" between your R53 and an R56 MCS than you'll ever find by putting new tires on your R53.
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Yes, better but it's all relative. On this particular stretch of road, I could hardly tell the difference...with the combination of bad roads, stiff suspension, and lower profile tires, a bumpy ride won't just vanish.
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oh ic...ive noticed on the tirerack rating how my stock dunlop sports dsst 9000 had a rating of 5.5 of comfort and noise....whereas the gs d3 had like 8.5.....i was thinkin those difference might be significant enough to give a better ride...
as i was thinkin i guess my main concern was hoping for less noise in undeveloped pavement or even bumps on the highway or on the streets... i guess those can never go away, but im hoping ride is signifcantly better with standard tires...
i've narrowed my choice to gs d3 and pirelli p zero nero m+s....what do you think might soothe me more??? are max summer tires relatively softer ride than UHP?? thanx.
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I'm pretty sure the Pirelli was in the Consumer Reports test previously mentioned, where it scored lower than the Continental. I tend to think Consumer Reports test scores are more reliable because they use a panel of testers who try out all the tires, so they can do direct comparisons. A survey such as Tire Rack's is less reliable since it is really a compilation of individual opinions by drivers who have probably experienced only one or two of the tires included in the group. Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Tire Rack test from 2004 that directly compared the Pirelli and the Continental. The Pirelli won that test, with the Continental coming in third. My only reservation with this result is it's over three years old, and tire compounds can change in that time.
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If it's between these two, my guess is you would be happier with the Pirelli. Other posters who have experience with the GSD3 have said that it gets very noisy at 50% wear.
I'm pretty sure the Pirelli was in the Consumer Reports test previously mentioned, where it scored lower than the Continental. I tend to think Consumer Reports test scores are more reliable because they use a panel of testers who try out all the tires, so they can do direct comparisons. A survey such as Tire Rack's is less reliable since it is really a compilation of individual opinions by drivers who have probably experienced only one or two of the tires included in the group. Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Tire Rack test from 2004 that directly compared the Pirelli and the Continental. The Pirelli won that test, with the Continental coming in third. My only reservation with this result is it's over three years old, and tire compounds can change in that time.
I'm pretty sure the Pirelli was in the Consumer Reports test previously mentioned, where it scored lower than the Continental. I tend to think Consumer Reports test scores are more reliable because they use a panel of testers who try out all the tires, so they can do direct comparisons. A survey such as Tire Rack's is less reliable since it is really a compilation of individual opinions by drivers who have probably experienced only one or two of the tires included in the group. Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Tire Rack test from 2004 that directly compared the Pirelli and the Continental. The Pirelli won that test, with the Continental coming in third. My only reservation with this result is it's over three years old, and tire compounds can change in that time.
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