Suspension M7 coilovers ... mystery solved!
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All I can say, in this my second post to this thread of 324 posts, is that gnaster is one cool guy! Why? Because he reads The Economist! I was talking to my Personal Investing class today at UNM, and refered to a copy of the magazine/journal I had with me. I held it up and exclaimed with joy how a magazine had been named after me: The Economist.
Aside from that, this thread is truly a testament to who we are, and how we view the world. Just like my IATs, the variance swamps the mean.
keep at it, I got more popcorn...
Aside from that, this thread is truly a testament to who we are, and how we view the world. Just like my IATs, the variance swamps the mean.
keep at it, I got more popcorn...
It's one of my favorite reads, nothing like getting a different perception of whats going on in the world beyond US mass media.
#335
another Economist reader +1
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even when I don't agree or find some posts crap to distatseful I still prefer that to eliminating people.....
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#338
OK, this whole "privat lie" thing has been bothering me for a while. This is how I see it:
Example: Two friends are talking and one tells the other about some good tax advice he heard about from his "tax guy". The person hearing this information will probably say "Oh, thats cool, might try it" but all the while realizes that this is third party advice and not from an expert.
I am a C.P.A. and am held to a different standard. If in speaking, even in passing, I mention tax strategies or advice, the person hearing me will most likely take the position that this is good, reliable information. Being a professional and an expert in the field I am held to a higher standard when I speak.
Vendors are NO DIFFERENT. This issue is that the "alleged lie" came from a vendor about his OWN product. Being the vendor you should be held to a higher standard and realize that what you say about your product will be relied upon by others and most likely passed on. Isnt word of mouth still the best form of advertising?
This is quite different than a third party saying "Hey, I hear they are not made in Asia" than the vendor themselves making the statement.
Example: Two friends are talking and one tells the other about some good tax advice he heard about from his "tax guy". The person hearing this information will probably say "Oh, thats cool, might try it" but all the while realizes that this is third party advice and not from an expert.
I am a C.P.A. and am held to a different standard. If in speaking, even in passing, I mention tax strategies or advice, the person hearing me will most likely take the position that this is good, reliable information. Being a professional and an expert in the field I am held to a higher standard when I speak.
Vendors are NO DIFFERENT. This issue is that the "alleged lie" came from a vendor about his OWN product. Being the vendor you should be held to a higher standard and realize that what you say about your product will be relied upon by others and most likely passed on. Isnt word of mouth still the best form of advertising?
This is quite different than a third party saying "Hey, I hear they are not made in Asia" than the vendor themselves making the statement.
#340
Or is this a situation where there are specific users who are being targeted, and this is a way around just banning those users?
#342
I guess I didn't get my point across, which is simply this: If you ordered the product, not knowing that it was made in Korea, and not having considered it enough of an issue to inquire up front, and later find out it was Korean, So what? The fact that someone else was lied to has no bearing on it. Of course, if you relied on what that someone else was told, that's another matter. But, if it is that important, check with the source.
However, if a vendor lied to a potential customer for the purpose of getting his or her business, I'd like to know that, because that is something I'd take into consideration when deciding where to take my business. Additionally, if I'm lied to by a vendor, I think that I have a responsibility to inform others (much as I have the exact same responsibility to praise a vendor when they do a good job).
The problem comes in when some people try to distort the facts for their own agenda, either to support the vendor or to knock it down. And once someone steps in for one side, someone else steps in for the other side, and the next thing you know, we have a thread like this, where a mountain has been made out of a molehill.
Basically, the bottom line here is that a vendor lied to a potential customer to get his money. People should see that, along with other feedback (positive & negative) before making their own informed decision.
#343
As a side note, this might be more helpful if it's attached to the specific posts. As far as I can tell, I have to click on the posters name first to get to their profile & then click on ignore. It's almost hidden... Perhaps it might be more useful to others if it was attached to the posts in some way.
Of course, it's very possible that it is & I'm missing it. These things happen.
Of course, it's very possible that it is & I'm missing it. These things happen.
#344
Your first point is valid. And I don't think anyone would disagree with it.
However, if a vendor lied to a potential customer for the purpose of getting his or her business, I'd like to know that, because that is something I'd take into consideration when deciding where to take my business. Additionally, if I'm lied to by a vendor, I think that I have a responsibility to inform others (much as I have the exact same responsibility to praise a vendor when they do a good job).
The problem comes in when some people try to distort the facts for their own agenda, either to support the vendor or to knock it down. And once someone steps in for one side, someone else steps in for the other side, and the next thing you know, we have a thread like this, where a mountain has been made out of a molehill.
Basically, the bottom line here is that a vendor lied to a potential customer to get his money. People should see that, along with other feedback (positive & negative) before making their own informed decision.
However, if a vendor lied to a potential customer for the purpose of getting his or her business, I'd like to know that, because that is something I'd take into consideration when deciding where to take my business. Additionally, if I'm lied to by a vendor, I think that I have a responsibility to inform others (much as I have the exact same responsibility to praise a vendor when they do a good job).
The problem comes in when some people try to distort the facts for their own agenda, either to support the vendor or to knock it down. And once someone steps in for one side, someone else steps in for the other side, and the next thing you know, we have a thread like this, where a mountain has been made out of a molehill.
Basically, the bottom line here is that a vendor lied to a potential customer to get his money. People should see that, along with other feedback (positive & negative) before making their own informed decision.
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Your first point is valid. And I don't think anyone would disagree with it.
However, if a vendor lied to a potential customer for the purpose of getting his or her business, I'd like to know that, because that is something I'd take into consideration when deciding where to take my business. Additionally, if I'm lied to by a vendor, I think that I have a responsibility to inform others (much as I have the exact same responsibility to praise a vendor when they do a good job).
The problem comes in when some people try to distort the facts for their own agenda, either to support the vendor or to knock it down. And once someone steps in for one side, someone else steps in for the other side, and the next thing you know, we have a thread like this, where a mountain has been made out of a molehill.
Basically, the bottom line here is that a vendor lied to a potential customer to get his money. People should see that, along with other feedback (positive & negative) before making their own informed decision.
However, if a vendor lied to a potential customer for the purpose of getting his or her business, I'd like to know that, because that is something I'd take into consideration when deciding where to take my business. Additionally, if I'm lied to by a vendor, I think that I have a responsibility to inform others (much as I have the exact same responsibility to praise a vendor when they do a good job).
The problem comes in when some people try to distort the facts for their own agenda, either to support the vendor or to knock it down. And once someone steps in for one side, someone else steps in for the other side, and the next thing you know, we have a thread like this, where a mountain has been made out of a molehill.
Basically, the bottom line here is that a vendor lied to a potential customer to get his money. People should see that, along with other feedback (positive & negative) before making their own informed decision.
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Mark
#349
Look - despite what has been alleged in this thread - the fact that the units are made in South Korea does not necessarily mean they are crap.
Four months ago Chris was allegedly told that the units were made nowhere near Asia. The reason this statement was made was because several people were concerned that these may be overseas knock-offs with little to no engineering behind them. As has already been pointed out, that comment has been either overlooked or intentionally allowed to stand.
This is easy to resolve - despite what the Vendor's backer may claim, it is in his best interests to clear this issue. Come out and state that (1) there was a miscommunication and (2) that Chris' original comments relating M7's claims were not seen. Otherwise, as another poster has mentioned, for better or worse the assumption will be that Chris was intentionally lied to.
I don't see the harm in additionally commenting on what specific engineering was incorporated into these coilovers to differentiate them from other products from this manufacturer. It would go a long way to making people believe that these are not just rebranded knock-offs.
#350
I withdraw my comment.