Suspension M7 coilovers ... mystery solved!
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OK, I don't mind reposting this for the newcomers. Here is the original thread:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...76#post1470076
And here is post #25:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...76#post1470076
And here is post #25:
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As someone who is outside the argument - because I am not planning on getting coil-overs anytime soon --- I observe that, through 11 pages, there was not a single post that presented any facts, or even antidotal information to suggest that European built coil-overs are better or worse than Asian ones. If the vendor told a particular customer that it's product was not made in Asia and, in fact, it is, that was unethical, but between that customer and the vendor. If anyone else was lead to believe the product was not manufactured in Asia, when, in fact, it was, that too is a problem. But, the fact that the vendor does not publish that information at large means nothing. I don't recall MINI advertising anywhere that some of their engines are now being made in China.
So in the end it's quite possible that this same Korean firm that is building coilovers to M7's specs could also be constructing for (insert favorite coil over here) as well. With so many players in todays global economy often times the consumer has no idea where each bit of product is made or assembled.
But I think we all pretty know this and I really added nothing.
You can get back to wondering what mozzarella has been smoking now...
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I understand that. That was the private lie to THAT NAMmer. The lie was not repeated in the thread. In fact, the vendor conceded that they are made in Korea. My point is, simply, no one else (as far as can be found in the thread) was lied to. So, that fact that one wasn't told it was made in Korea, when that one didn't ask, doesn't mean anything. I am not suggesting M7 did nothing wrong to THAT poster. It would simply be different if M7 claimed at large that the product was not made in Korea.
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Now they're poisoning people?! This IS getting interesting!
For the record, I believe El meant 'anecdotal'.
customer: What type of meat is this?
server: It's not horse or goat.
customer: Uh, ok.
For the record, I believe El meant 'anecdotal'.
customer: What type of meat is this?
server: It's not horse or goat.
customer: Uh, ok.
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LMAO. That would be China, not Korea. You are, of course, in this instance, correct as to what word I meant.
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From the NYTimes 2/17/06
China Seeking Auto Industry, Piece by Piece
Link to article http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/bu...524358&ei=5070
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LynnEl, you are misinterpreting and misinforming the MINI public with your China engine statements...
first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.
here's one of the articles
here's another one
first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.
here's one of the articles
here's another one
#311
LynnEl, you are misinterpreting and misinforming the MINI public with your China engine statements...
first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.
here's one of the articles
here's another one
first off China is buying the brazilian plant, Tritec. Those engines are for the first gen and the current convertibles not the R56. Secondly, that doesnt mean that suddenly the parts are made in China. The new chinese owner is trying to move the complete factory to china but that hasnt been settled as of yet.
here's one of the articles
here's another one
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sorry, my mistake. you wrote that so loosely that i couldnt tell what you were talking about. show me one of the several that you've encountered... i try not to trudge into the r56 forums
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I understand that. That was the private lie to THAT NAMmer. The lie was not repeated in the thread. In fact, the vendor conceded that they are made in Korea. My point is, simply, no one else (as far as can be found in the thread) was lied to. So, that fact that one wasn't told it was made in Korea, when that one didn't ask, doesn't mean anything. I am not suggesting M7 did nothing wrong to THAT poster. It would simply be different if M7 claimed at large that the product was not made in Korea.
Example: Two friends are talking and one tells the other about some good tax advice he heard about from his "tax guy". The person hearing this information will probably say "Oh, thats cool, might try it" but all the while realizes that this is third party advice and not from an expert.
I am a C.P.A. and am held to a different standard. If in speaking, even in passing, I mention tax strategies or advice, the person hearing me will most likely take the position that this is good, reliable information. Being a professional and an expert in the field I am held to a higher standard when I speak.
Vendors are NO DIFFERENT. This issue is that the "alleged lie" came from a vendor about his OWN product. Being the vendor you should be held to a higher standard and realize that what you say about your product will be relied upon by others and most likely passed on. Isnt word of mouth still the best form of advertising?
This is quite different than a third party saying "Hey, I hear they are not made in Asia" than the vendor themselves making the statement.
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All I can say, in this my second post to this thread of 324 posts, is that gnaster is one cool guy! Why? Because he reads The Economist! I was talking to my Personal Investing class today at UNM, and refered to a copy of the magazine/journal I had with me. I held it up and exclaimed with joy how a magazine had been named after me: The Economist.
Aside from that, this thread is truly a testament to who we are, and how we view the world. Just like my IATs, the variance swamps the mean.
keep at it, I got more popcorn...
Aside from that, this thread is truly a testament to who we are, and how we view the world. Just like my IATs, the variance swamps the mean.
keep at it, I got more popcorn...