I just wonder how long NAM and IB will allow a very small number of it's members, I use that word lightly, to bend the rules and hassle other member and vendors?

Just how long?

I'd like to know so I can plan for how long I'll be putting up with and dealing with the #1 bully of NAM pgt.

There are many other places he can go and play his games why does NAM and IB allow him to remain.

He no longer owns a MINI. Anything helpful he had to say as been said. A review of his post in the last year is more BS then anything helpful to the NAM community.

Maybe we could take a Vote?

Let's review the https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/guidelines and see how pgt breaks them.

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He loves to take a good thread off topic. Many of which have been closed due to his posts.

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He doesn't know how to spell the word. Enough said about that one.

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He doesn't want to discuss anything, he knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING and is never wrong, he just wants to preach at us like Benny Hinn.

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He also doesn't know what this is.

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He is in the middle of all the NAM politics and anyone not in his "good-old-boys-club" beware of pgt. I may be breaking the politics rule, but I don't care anymore. NAM won't deal with him, IB won't deal with him so it's up to us to deal with him.

Speak Up NAM Members or watch NAM die at the hands of the few like pgt.

 

I think threads like this are the ones killing NAM.

 

Oooo. Drama. Can't be me. Haven't been here long enough to offend anyone

Semi on-topic, my first transaction on this forum was with Dustin. No problems. Very helpful. Would do business with him again

 

Just for the record, I was a NAM member years before I became and Vendor and pgt was an issue before I was a vendor.

 

sounds to me like this thread is a PERFECT example of the 'discussions of banning are not permitted'. I do believe you received a strike for the last time you did this, correct? At least you're consistent.

 

 

 

I would like to add that because my opinions are sometimes at odds with Dustin's, he feels I should be banished. He fails to see anything positive I've ever done on this forum. To this day, my part-out listing is still the #1 viewed in the Marketplace. Much of that build was discussed on NAM....I've been open (perhaps too much) about my opinions of products and how well or poorly they work. Not everything is rosey, but hopefully sharing my experiences here helped others. From the PM's I've received over the years (several a day on average), it would appear to be so.

 

I have a few thoughts, as someone who once worked in conflict management...you probably won't like most of them but I've had my eye on the AXC v. PGT saga () for a couple of weeks and for the most part, it seems overblown.

1) There's always going to be someone who knows EXACTLY how much they can say and how much they can do without getting into serious trouble. Their goal is often to drag you into something to make YOU do something to get yourself in trouble.

2) Some people are button pushers. When you react, they feel joy.

3) There's always going to be someone you can't (for whatever reason) get along with. When you argue with them, it gives them credibility.

4) Constant public whining (such as threads like this) can give the complainer the air of "crybaby". Even when you are the one being picked on, this can make you look bad, like you can't handle your own stuff.

5) When someone disagrees with someone (even when it's legit - you think wheel A that you sell looks cool, I think it's ugly and I say so. Nice to say, no. But a legit opinion, sure), the automatic response tends to be to get hackles raised.

In this case, all 5 of these things are in play. How you choose to handle them is your call, of course...but IMO the way you are currently choosing to handle it makes you look like someone who is being made to look a fool by a mischievous little kid.

Disagreeing with you is not going to get someone in trouble here, and that's good IMO. But when someone disagrees with you, you get bent because of it, and then say something to get yourself in trouble (like starting a thread like this)...then you're giving troublemaker exactly what he wants. *You* should be controlling your reality, not him.

Just my $.02.

Edit to add: When I have to wonder during my nice Saturday night dinner out whether or not it will be interrupted by this kind of petty BS, it prompts this kind of response.

 

While I agree with MLPearson79's post it doesn't deal with the real issues that I have with pgt. He is not discussing anything of value with me or the products I offer. He is only slamming me (within the lines of NAM) and it's about the words he uses.

This post, https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...31-post40.html where he calls me an "opportunist" in a negative way. If Joel had been able to fill the order Alta placed with me and Alta had been selling them would he call them "opportunist"?

Then this one https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...04-post68.html where can claims to have uncovered my "fallacy".

The only reason he stays here is because we the members allow him to get away with this and to sell off the parts he as left over from his MINI.

I have always hated bully's and have been watching this bully on NAM for years and have had enough and will no longer just sit by and not call a spade a spade.

 

 

you found me out!!! I LOVE Alta!! yes, this is sarcasm to the eleventy billionth degree

 

Mind if I join you on the park bench? (Brought my own.. )

 

He's providing his opinion and take on your services. Okay, his opinion happens to be negative. That doesn't make it invalid. And keeping it "within the lines of NAM" is exactly what he does - he's not breaking any rules, you just don't like what he has to say. While I may not like the approach he takes, I'm also extremely libertarian in nature - he's expressing his opinion, within the confines of the "law". There's really nothing wrong with that...you just hate it. And that's okay, life's not all roses and kind words. When someone has a negative comment about your products/services, I would assume those with positive comments would speak up as well. A forum like NAM is perfect for a "what do you think of this product/retailer" discussion.

Agreed. As I said, I don't agree with his methods but you have to agree, he knows exactly which words to use to send you straight up the wall. He may as well be Pavlov with a bell. He uses a word that you perceive as negative about you, you freak out, and he gets exactly what he wants - you all upset, in a tizzy.

The members do not "allow" anything. Everyone has control over their own actions and no one elses. PGT "allows" himself to stay here because he operates within the confines of the rules, regardless of how annoying he might be while doing it. There are all varieties of annoying going on in this fiasco; his needling is just one of them.

There is a lot of finger-pointing that could take place here. I'm not entirely sure you want to go down that route. I'm not saying you're doing anything any more or less wrong than anyone else here, but there are a lot of sayings about placing blame and many of them apply not just in this situation, but in some other headbuttings you've had here on NAM. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have the same "calling a spade a spade" thoughts about you - we just don't hear from them every 15 minutes.

Again, I am NOT taking sides. Admittedly I like to play a little devil's advocate but I'm very much a both-sides-of-the-fence kinda person. Neither you nor PGT are perfect (nor am I). You asked for opinions and you're getting mine. This is very much a case of you may not like what you're going to hear, but there's not anything wrong with expressing a valid opinion.

 

RESPECT
When posting, both members and vendors must ALWAYS be respectful of fellow members and vendors. Personal attacks, trolling/baiting, deliberate antagonizing, and flaming will not be tolerated. If you feel you are being attacked, report the post or private message rather than replying or flaming back. However, do not use the report bad post feature to "cry wolf" when you are in fact the instigator of the demise of a discussion. Doing so will result in an infraction or strike.

How can anyone look at pgt posts about me and our products I sell here based on the above rule see him within the lines? He can't speak of my service cause he's never had the Good Luck of buying from me.

He's been doing this for years and it's time someone tried to stop him. Enough is Enough.

 

I wonder how anyone could see a thread like this as anything other than deliberate antagonization as well...it's a two way street.

I honestly think, Dustin, that you'd be best served by just ignoring him. When he makes a false claim, calmly state the facts in correction and then ignore him. When you let him get you all riled up, you come off looking like a crazy person.

I don't know, it's just like basic How-to-Handle-an-Internet-Troll 101.

 

I can't take credit for anything. I was just thanking Nathan for setting the record straight.

As to being called a 'troll'....I'm not sure that means what you think it does, it least when it applies to what I post on NAM.

 

How do we get rid of the bad apples on NAM?

Bake a pie?

Applesauce?


Truly, in my experience the best way is to simply ignore them, it's hard to have an argument when only one person "speaks"............

 

Is this the place where NAM implodes?

If you have a problem with PGT, you ignore him. If PGT is going out of his way to make problems for you then you complain to the mods and let them mod... Either way I am in before the lock.

 

If you or Nathan were right why would TSW post this https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...567-post8.html

Why would they allow me to maintain a "fallacy" on NAM using their name?

Just because I'm not in TX at the install of a product doesn't mean I wasn't involved.

When pgt is ready to deal with the truth and post his mistake/s then and only then will I reduce the heat.

 

So you confer with DrMike on design?

or Jeff on manufacturing?

Or risk you neck in testing the part...

I didn't see you on the mail receipts from my reports to the TSW folks.

You might have pushed them into making the part but only so you can have TSW drop ship them to your customers. Dustin, you are a Salesman, not a designer or engineer. Heck you stock about nothing and rely on just about every vendor you sell stuff for to be your warehouse and shipper.

Maybe you should change your username to Willie Lohman.

 

I've talked to TSW and they will be posting a reply soon.

 

See above
I'd like to know so I can plan for how long I'll be putting up with and dealing with the #1 bully of NAM pgt.[/QUOTE]
He has not done anything to lose that right, merely disagreed with your point of view.

1. MINI ownership is not a criteria to be a member to NAM.
2. Review of his posts in the last year, show many a thread where he helps other member, in many of the same thread you offer a sales pitch. He is knowledgeable and regularly shares that with other members for the good of the community.

This isn't a democracy, but rather a privately owned and operated website.

So moderation has already taken place.

Disrespectful while invoking the respect guideline.

He isn't a vendor
He addresses them as he sees fit, within the site guidelines, as this post is proving you are knowingly stepping outside those guidelines to address him
Knowingly flaunting the guidelines, this one is done from post #1

I'm not seeing any comments like post #2 in this thread in response to his comments from anyone but yourself.

NAM provides an Ignore list option for anyone that feels they are constantly at odds with an individual, click on their profile and click Add user to ignore list.

There is also a Buddy list so you can more easily PM other members whom you enjoy conversation with.