Yada yada yada.......now switching from a wood bat to a metal pipe to beat this VERY dead horse.

 

Hmmm, sounds like somebody just needs to show up and race Randy to prove him wrong, but until then, take it in competitive spirit, not personally.

Stop the fighting and set up a race, if you can't make it, tough luck, stop complaining.

 

You are missing the point: see post #102.

 

So who is coming out to Pueblo for free beer afterwards?

 

Have you ever been to Pueblo? It's the Colorado version of Bakersfield - without the charm.........

It would take a lot more than free beer to get me back out there..........

 

There's charm in Bakersfield?

 

Too far for me but can you send the beer???

 

In addition to Jeff Stracco's denial of any MINIUSA involvement with the series, it appears there aren't any ties from the NAMCC to MINI UK, MINI International, or John Cooper Works either.

Last year, Mike Cooper sold the rights to the challenge to a British promoter that is incorporated under the name "Total Track". With the sale to Total Track, the U.K. series name was changed from the John Cooper Challenge, to "MINI Challenge".

So what we appear to be left with is that Phil is an independent promoter of a U.S. based series with MINIs and Total Track is an independent promotor of a U.K. based series with MINIs, but there is no official connection between either of those promoters and MINIUSA, MINI UK, MINI International, or John Cooper Works.

 

Compared to Pueblo - yes.

On of my first assignments with the company I work for was in 1989, building a wastewater treatment plant in Pueblo. I was so excited thinking Pueblo would be like Aspen, or Boulder or anywhere else you'd associate with Colorado.........

16 months later, I realized how wrong I was...........

 

I'll be at MITM and would recommend either retreating from Pueblo to Copper Mountain/Breck/Vail for beer OR bringing a cooler of Fat Tire Ale to Pueblo OR both.

 

"hear, hear!"

 

Having grown up (?) in Littleton, CO, the home of Randy Webb, you won't be getting me to Pueblo any time soon. The Fat Tire sure sounds good, though. We can't get that here in paradise -- NJ.

 

So what do you have against the track? Or are you talking about the city(I will agree with you on that one)?

I like the track BECAUSE it’s quirky... I guess both the Cali guys and the East coasters aren’t used to pavement changes and ruff transitions .


-Brian

 

If you're asking me, the city of Pueblo is not my kind of place. And I know nothing of the track. Good tracks are hard to come by if you live in Denver. The closest "real" track is Heartland Park, right? Other than the KS track the choice is...??? A long tow!

 

Ditto: nothing against the track, just Pueblo itself

 

Well then you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive it .

-Brian

 

Just a quick retort on rules - I absolutely have a GCR.

From Driver Restraint in the GCR 20 -

The Chief Technical or Safety Inspector can dictate installations and rule compliance, which is where the local differences can come about.

From the GCR 20.4, the harness bar should be at a 20 degree angle down from the shoulder, which is where Brian's harnesses are - you haven't even seen the car Greg...

Anyway, just trying to keep that horse alive so Greg has something to do .

Randy

 

Here's a track map of Pueblo - it really is a great course, with some elevation change, some technical parts, and a long straight. The trackside accomodations are weak, and the town is no fun, but as a track, it is a blast!



Randy

 

Randy, Good to see you posting again. Felix

 

Looks like I'll be joining you Webb boys in Pueblo, should be a fun track.

 

Randy - not to change the subject, but how was your vacation ? - brief though it was!

 

Randy, I do appreciate you taking the time to give me something to do.
Let me help you out once again since it seems that you are having difficulty comprehending the rules once more.

1.2.4 The GCR shall not be given a strained and tortured interpretation and shall be applied in a logical manner, keeping in mind that it cannot specifically cover all possible situations. ......." There is a lot more that I don't feel like typing

20.4, paragraph 2. (Since you seem to have rewritten it Randy, I'll post that part here for others to actually judge for themselves)
"The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and supported above a line drawn downward from the shoulder point at an angle of twenty (20) degrees with the horizontal. ..."

I personally never said that the bar was too low, but I felt it was as others do also. Anyone that has that bar lower then 15 degrees is just not someone that should be telling others what to do.

Anyway Randy, you keep chasing all of this around in circles, looking for 'loopholes' in a sense. Not sure why you keep wanting to push this?
ANY true racer here knows this stuff and abides by it. You for some reason just want to keep proving to all of us that really understand the rules that you just don't have much a clue here. Again, it's unfortunate for those that think so highly of you here and that they may be misguided into thinking that one can talk there away around the written rule.
Maybe when the people that actually build a car to your interpretations of the rules finds that they can only race it in your backyard, then they might understand why I am speaking up here.

 

:-)

 

can you give that guy a metal bat too?

 

Are you really that big of a moron Greg? Read it again - it is to be supported from above a line drawn downward from the shoulder point at an angle of 20 degrees - which means that the mount should be no LOWER than 20 degrees from the mount point. There is actually a drawing reflecting this in the GCR.

I'm not trying to see loopholes, just trying to show that we know the rules too, and abide by them. I'm pretty sure we've built quite a few more race cars that have been granted logbooks from numerous sanctioning bodies.

Greg, I am tired of trying to show you that just because you have one interpretation of the rules doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong. Why don't you stroll through the paddock at any race in the country and see what you consider to be unsafe rule applications - the safety steward of the event that teched all of the cars obviously differes with you on your opinions as well. If you want to go out of your way to prove how unsafe our cars are (the Mule was actually crash tested if you remember correctly and I didn't suffer a scratch at over 90 mph into the wall), go ahead. I know they are safe, and fast. Enjoy yourself!

As to the vacation - I'm actually on it now, in Houston. We are headed out on a cruise from Galveston, and my parents are watching my 4 kids here in Houston. We leave on Sunday. Thanks for asking! I am really excited about it.

Take care!
Randy