Your right...

 

and btw - I miss your videos.

When are you going to post some more?

 

You know the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine ??
Jim

 

skiploader,

I agree and have PM'ed parties involved to see it happen. I also am on the racing comittee for the Phil Wicks series next year, and we are certainly trying to make it work as best as possible for everyone.

Hope it happens!
Randy

 

(A) A porcupine isn't a Volkswagen.
(B) A porcupine has it's ****** on the outside.
(C) Porcupines did not design Tiger tanks for the Germans during WWII.

 

You are CORRECT, Sir!!!
Jim

 

(B) is especially true where I live.

 

Looks like I had to try and answer my own question . From what I can tell these are the current point totals to date. If anyone has different numbers please feel free to post them . These are overall points in combined classes. Unless PW is planning on sending 3 teams to Europe , one for each class I am assuming he will be sending the overall points leader.

As of today the top four are

Waylen Hunsucker M7 84

Steve Dintz madness 65

Brian Black Webb Motor Sports 69

Randy Webb Webb Motor Sports 55


Is there a manufacturers trophy ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Onasled, you have crossed the line here. Randy is my bro, I have his back, and I cannot let this slide without a public comment. I have witnessed your passive aggressive hostility toward Webb Motorsports and Randy since first joining NAM several months ago when you started publically ripping on the WMS extreme swaybar never having seen or used the product. I'm not certain why are you so hell bent on slamming the company and the person who has supported the MINI community from day one (and don't really care to psychoanalyze it), but your post is simply unacceptable in my opinion and deserves an apology.

I watched Randy help Brian to build his race car, and for you to say "the fact that you let your young employee show up to race with car that in no way was safe is just showing your true colors here" is a mean hearted statement without merit that shows absolutely no class on your part. I have also seen Randy dedicate countless hours to serve the MINI community as a business person, product developer, mechanic, driving instructor, advocate, educator, and racer. From my experience I believe that Randy loves and respects this community first and foremost.

 

micahbones,

First, respectfully, you really don't know anything about the relationship between Randy and myself. I understand that you are relatively new to the forum and unless you had a way to go back a few years and review all the threads you would have no way to know.

Please direct me or anyone here to any post on this forum, besides the ones in the last 24 hours where you "have witnessed my passive aggressive hostility toward Webb Motorsports and Randy".
Please, post them here and make a colection to show all that I have done so, because I don't think you know what your talking about. But please correct me if I am wrong about you, but do it with something to back it up.

You seem to be pointing out the swaybar thread. Not sure why you see that as an attack on Webb? Randy and I talked on the phone about that actually. Since when is bringing up concerns on a product showing "passive aggressive hostility"

So, when you collect all of those post, please don't forget to include this one that I posted a little over a month ago on this thread, OK?

 

OK, we agree that we are done with the hostility here. I also don't want to be beating a dead horse with this, but I just want to comment on this paragraph.

Randy, and whomever else, .... IF you had actually taken the time to really read my post on this then you might actually understand what I was concerned about.

ONE, I never mentioned anything about arm restraints. These are not required in sedan racing

TWO, if you will re-read that thread I think I make my point rather clear about what's wrong with Brian's belts, and I even included a PDF file from Schroth which fully backs up what I was saying. Post 167, 173 , 174 .

THREE, there is no way that SCCA, NASA, BMWCCA would pass tech on a racecar, to go out and race in a SCCA, NASA, BMWCCA race without a window net. I heard there was quite a bit of complaining when in fact NASA were not happy with the Wicks racers cars in that race where NASA was involved. All it takes here is reading the rules. NASA, SCCA, BWMCCA

And that's it. This was about my only beef with the Wicks program. I was under the impression that it was a 'teaching' type of program, so when I see that only one or two of the cars racing are even race legal, it bugs me.
And just one more thing if I may. I see that even after all of this that window nets are still not being used... Oh well...

 

I would try to teach you the unwritten rules of sport, including motorsport. But it doesn't seem to be so I will direct you to post #104.

 

When you write; “As far as the rules go in the NAMCC, I think they are right on. The cars in each class have been extremely competitive, some with vastly different approaches and budgets. That to me says the rule sets are pretty accurate.”
If you to reread the rules you would find that practically anything goes with respect to tires, brakes, suspension, aero, etc. You have nothing to compare to because there is only one other car running.

If you are on the committee you should have an understanding of racing history. You wrote; “It is like saying, let's not do F1 anymore because it is too far out there (or the CanAm or GTP days for that matter). It is great to see how far a MINI can go.”
Yes, it is great but not for sanctioning bodies. Save F1, IMSA went bust and many others that tried the unlimited style of racing (German touring cars, for example) went away also due to escalating costs. That is why sanctioning bodies try to reign in spending with rules packages. And it is why spec series are so successful.

I spoke to PW and from what I gathered he wants to run a mirror version of what is in Brittan. That means no unlimited class. I understand M7’s question of is there a manufacture’s trophy but this is supposed to be a driver championship contested between drivers in equally prepared cars. Is that what you are working towards by being on the committee?

 

I was going to do this by PM to you Greg but it is obvious that there is way too much of that going on. That is the problem with posting what you heard. You don't know where and who it was heard from. I wonder what would happen if we played that old game of sending a whisper around a circle with PMs (no cut and paste allowed). You know, the one where the sentence is so totally different in the end from what it started out as?

I just heard this from my husband, who happens to be in the same room with me right now. He walked around with the NASA tech person at Sebring as he teched the MINIs, because he was curious. This is what said husband told me word for and word and reverified before I clicked on submit. "The gentleman was very nice and helpful, gave a few tips, asked for a few changes, but was satisfied overall."

My reason for posting this is not to say that anything allowed should be considered safe or unsafe, in the rules or not, but only to make sure there is no misunderstanding about what happened at tech at Sebring.

 

I thought Waylen, Way Motorwerks, built his own car ?

Wondering how did it become an M7 car ? Parts ?

 

If I raced with you, and you or anyone else even attempt 'teaching' that crap to me, i'll be the last person you ever try it with.

You might be a dirty race driver, but to encourage or influence it to any up and coming driver gives you a seat in the ****** of all time hall of shame.

Oh, and I hope you were paying attention to those vids of Steve and Randy's driving at Summit, it could probably teach you a thing or two about the lines on that track that you were never able to get right.

 

OK.... enough of this guys. Let it go please.

 

Thanks for the clear up on this.
I would though be interested in hearing what things the tech brought up.

Not sure what agreement was had between Wicks and NASA during this event, but there had to have been some kind of negotiating going on to permit these cars. Maybe an inquiry to NASA would clear this up.
Thanks again 'B'

 

Did you happen to follow the abuse Boris Said took at Sonoma from Robbie Gordon and Tony Stewart? Or, do you watch any Grand Am? My advice to you would be to understand what racing is about, such as the self-policing aspect of it, before you embark on your journey. It can get rather dangerous out there.

Yes, I paid attention to the videos. Check my bio, I work for Dartfish!

FYI, I have hundred of laps on the Shenandoah circuit on an endurance bike; I know it well.

Once again, I refer you to post #104.

 

As has been your derogatory remark. My line of questioning has brought out not such a good side of you. I never made any comment other than your “learning light bulb” seems to be turned off and that can be both expensive and dangerous.
To show you how I actually want to help you, my advice to you is to begin your racing career in karts rather than cars. Control first, speed later.

 

Thanks for the good advice.

Happy 4th of Jooly

 

Okay, then. I guess I should clear up this too. The Fortech Mini doesn't hump. It's the 10" wheel cars that do it most. I had a video link somewhere from Blackhawk Farms with humpers in it a while back. If I can find it I will post it.

I don't know any details between Wicks and NASA myself. I only know things I heard so won't offer anything up. I have to say that I really feel tremendous pressure to measure my words when posting around here as the teeth come out from all directions.

I will say again though that the reason passions are so high here is because the desire to have MINI racing is common to everyone in here. Also to those reading and not posting. The disagreements are due to differering opinions as to how it is done and whether or not we are as safe as we could be. I would ask everyone in here to take a step back and review your perspective. Understand that the other posters want what you want. If we have reached the point where a group hug is impossible can we at least offer out a digital hand shake? Please display all fingers when offering the hand.

 

And I am sorry that I upset you. It was not my intended meaning.
Don

 

dmh,

Check your PM please.

 

Yes we assisted him with parts and other support. The same relationship as madness would have with Steve's car I would think.

Randy
M7 tuning