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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Fun~! Fun~! Fun~!

Here's my boy~!!!
(I couldn't figure out how to attach the pics...they are already attached
to other thread...didn't know how to use the same one so I uploaded
to my gallery instead, if anyone is interested...)

Super FUN to drive. But I have to say...it might take me a while to
get used to the 'rough' ride...(so used to the 'sedan' ride...) when
riding the not so perfect roads...or over the pothole...going at about
75 or so...

I am kind of wondering...is it because of the run-flats tires???
Those who owns Paceman...do you have run-flats or non run-flats
on your babies?? Does the quality of ride change so much between
the two?? I am not sure if its worthwhile to switch them out this
early...just wanted to see what others think/do...

The only concern with non run-flats I have...when you actually do get flat...punctured or blow out?(don't know if that's a possibility...) or for
any reason...will the damage to me or to the car be much more serious
than having the same thing happen with run-flats???

I might just ride it out till its worn out and then consider getting non
run-flats...but wanted to find out as much as I could beforehand...

Thanks for your two cents...in advance...
 
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 04:46 PM
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Run flats are part of the reason. But probably a bigger reason is the suspension. Pretty hard to build a car that will pull 3 G's around tight turns and give it a soft ride suspension.

Congrats on you new MINI !
 
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 05:06 PM
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I ordered mine with all weather tires and I *think* they are not run flats. At least my order doesn't mention run-flats. I opted out of the run flats because I've heard they get ruined easier and are more costly to replace - so didn't really have to do with the ride.

I don't have mine yet, so I don't know how rough it will be. Maybe next week if I'm lucky!
 
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chanclor
I ordered mine with all weather tires and I *think* they are not run flats. At least my order doesn't mention run-flats. I opted out of the run flats because I've heard they get ruined easier and are more costly to replace - so didn't really have to do with the ride.

I don't have mine yet, so I don't know how rough it will be. Maybe next week if I'm lucky!
They are run flats, you just got the all season run flats instead of the performance run flats.

They are more costly to replace and it's the rims that are easier to ruin especially if you opted for the larger 19 or 20 inch tires.

If you replace the run flats, just remember you will need to plan on what to do about a spare.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Quixter
it's the rims that are easier to ruin especially if you opted for the larger 19 or 20 inch tires.
Actually I stuck with the 17" ones. I wasn't sure the benefit of the larger rims and the cost was prohibitive.

Maybe I better look at getting AAA just in case. Don't want to ruin my rims if I get a flat for sure.

I would recommend keeping the run flats at least until you put some miles on them. That's what I'm going to do and then see what my options are.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Thank you all for your great advise.

As I am driving more and more, I think I am getting used to the not so smooth feel of
the run-flat tires...(I need to keep the speed down as well...for I get kind of dizzy/sick
feeling when driving sharp curves...)

I think I will wait till I wear the tires out and then consider options. Just to keep it
simple, I might just stick with run-flats down the road... I can't imagine myself trying
taking care of the flat on the road...
 
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mdri98

I think I will wait till I wear the tires out and then consider options. Just to keep it
simple, I might just stick with run-flats down the road... I can't imagine myself trying
taking care of the flat on the road...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, just get some slime and a compressor and keep it in the boot. I ran non-runflats for three years on my last MINI and never had a problem. Probably 90% of the tire problems you are going to have are going to be slow leaks from nails, screws, etc. and you'll have plenty of time to get to a tire shop. If something is bad enough to completely blow out a tire, runflats might not survive it either.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CR&PW&JB
Run flats are part of the reason. But probably a bigger reason is the suspension. Pretty hard to build a car that will pull 3 G's around tight turns and give it a soft ride suspension.

Congrats on you new MINI !
Where do you get 3Gs? I've never known a car with road tires to get over 1G. Race cars with slicks can, but still, not 3Gs.

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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 01:19 PM
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One thing to remember: the 2013 Paceman do no come with a jack and lug wrench - mine doesn't have them and they are not mentioned in the User Manual. I had to go back to my dealer to confirm this. If you switch out the run flats, I would invest in the jack and lug wrench.

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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HamsterDR
One thing to remember: the 2013 Paceman do no come with a jack and lug wrench - mine doesn't have them and they are not mentioned in the User Manual. I had to go back to my dealer to confirm this. If you switch out the run flats, I would invest in the jack and lug wrench.

David
I wonder if that is the same for the CM?
 
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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EHans

I wonder if that is the same for the CM?
The 2013 CMs have no lug wrench or jack. I was kinda surprised, but our CM never came with it and the Paceman loaner and CM loaner had nothing either. Only thing our CM came with was the tow hook under the drivers seat.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EHans
Where do you get 3Gs? I've never known a car with road tires to get over 1G. Race cars with slicks can, but still, not 3Gs.

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Sorry, E... just noticed this post. I was using hyperbole about pulling 3Gs. Wasn't even aware that any street car could pull even 1G.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CR&PW&JB
Sorry, E... just noticed this post. I was using hyperbole about pulling 3Gs. Wasn't even aware that any street car could pull even 1G.
They can definitely approach it. The 2012 911 Turbo hits .99G with road tires. Throw slicks on there and it will easily exceed 1G.

Race cars routinely hit above 1G when racing. Not sure about F1 cars, but Indy cars also develop so much suction when racing that at speed, they can run upside down.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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According to Car & Driver, the Countryman matches or beats its siblings on the skidpad at .89g.

I guess I'll test that with that fancy-schmancy lateral G gauge that will be on my car.
 
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