Drivetrain Anyone looking to build a BEAST R60?

Old Oct 11, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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Anyone looking to build a BEAST R60?

My old R56 has heavily modified and had a lot of power, but the challenge (like many others faced) was the front wheel spin that had such a problem putting that power to the ground.

Obviously, the ALL4 has the advantage of being all wheel drive and distributing that power.

In theory it seems like a Countryman could potentially handle 300+whp and not have traction issues. The rest of the drivetrain may have other limitations, however.

Anyone interested in building a high HP Countryman?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:53 PM
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The engine can handle it and the All4 can handle it, but there has to be a major transmission improvement.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 07:54 PM
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This clutch sure couldn't handle it!!
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NewportNerd
My old R56 has heavily modified and had a lot of power, but the challenge (like many others faced) was the front wheel spin that had such a problem putting that power to the ground.

Obviously, the ALL4 has the advantage of being all wheel drive and distributing that power.

In theory it seems like a Countryman could potentially handle 300+whp and not have traction issues. The rest of the drivetrain may have other limitations, however.

Anyone interested in building a high HP Countryman?
I'm in the process of doing just that. Unfortunately, mine is not an All4, but I'm not looking to go 300 hp either. Something in the 220-250 range is where I see myself landing. FMIC, downpipe, exhaust, tune, maybe meth.

There's been at least one poster who had a very fast Countryman.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NewportNerd
My old R56 has heavily modified and had a lot of power, but the challenge (like many others faced) was the front wheel spin that had such a problem putting that power to the ground.

Obviously, the ALL4 has the advantage of being all wheel drive and distributing that power.

In theory it seems like a Countryman could potentially handle 300+whp and not have traction issues. The rest of the drivetrain may have other limitations, however.

Anyone interested in building a high HP Countryman?
Yep...hello...right here!

You paying?


 
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 08:18 PM
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Yep...hello...right here!

You paying?


Romney is paying.

Have you done anything to your R60 yet?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 08:26 PM
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Romney is paying.

Have you done anything to your R60 yet?
ETG Tune, AFE Filter, custom Magnaflow exhaust, misc. other small things.

Need more funds...
 
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 1bigpea
ETG Tune, AFE Filter, custom Magnaflow exhaust, misc. other small things.

Need more funds...
Awesome. How does she run after the ECU tune?
 
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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 02:36 PM
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I'll be shooting for close to 300 once we know more about the N18 head, etc.

With the special track tune I now have on here, along with the full mods (once I get the damned IC to work), I should be looking at 240bhp and around 260-270 wtq based on previous exact setup track-only car.

So that's not a bad starting point. Hopefully the A6 transmission is up to the task...
 
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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Theta
I'll be shooting for close to 300 once we know more about the N18 head, etc.

With the special track tune I now have on here, along with the full mods (once I get the damned IC to work), I should be looking at 240bhp and around 260-270 wtq based on previous exact setup track-only car.

So that's not a bad starting point. Hopefully the A6 transmission is up to the task...
If power were my primary goal and assuming a reasonable budget, my mods would be:
  1. FMIC
  2. Full exhaust (w/ high-flow DP)
  3. Turbo upgrade (JCW or Alta Billet)
  4. JCW manifold
  5. Meth kit
  6. Custom dyno tune (w/ tune for meth)

I gotta think the car would be above 250 and probably closer to 280 with such a setup. The turbo and meth would net the biggest gains with the tune.

Only downside with running a bigger turbo is that your pistons might start to go with that much boost. The meth would help by eliminating hot spots on the pistons and keeping in-cylinder temps down, but it would still be risky.

I have done items #1 and 2, am looking at #5 and will definitely do #6 at some point (though not tuning for meth). I would love to put a JCW turbo on there and tune for it, but I'm scared to blow up the engine.

Theta, here's a possible FMIC solution for you if you don't want to go the Forge/Helix route:

http://www.tyrolsport.com/intercoole...t-intercooler/



Not sure that'd be good for the engine, though, with so much of the radiator blocked!
 
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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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Oh I will make this R60 FMiC fit if it kills me.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 11:56 PM
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Kowalski (my countryman) is going to be tyrolsports test car for the FMIC and hopefully other projects in the future. I'll update you with how it goes :-)

P.S.
Lets figure out the most reliable way to get to 300+ hp... I say start with the transmission, that's definitely the weakest link... How do we improve that?

Kyle
 
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 12:06 AM
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Oh, Kyle... you know better...

The only way to "fix" the transmission is to buy a 2013 or build up the Getrag. They finally upgraded the clutch and internals on the manual. The auto is maxing out at 260, and you know that story...

Almost forgot - rear diff on the A4 will rip itself apart before 300ft/lb on good traction.

I heard you were going to do the TS fitting - hopefully all goes well. Looks like it will fit fine, it's just going to be a numbers game.

Almost bought a '13 JCW R60 yesterday, but can't justify it without the tuning.
 
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