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Old May 17, 2016 | 05:19 PM
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Heel and Toe

Am I the only one that finds it awkward to heel and toe in the Mini? I feel like the pedals should have been just a few mm closer. Any recommendations on getting a good method going?
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 10:10 PM
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Know what you mean, my feet aren't quite long enough to do effectively. Plus, the throttle response for blipping the throttle to match revs is not good. That's why many have found the Sprint Booster one of the first mods they make.

http://new.minimania.com/Search_Resu...%20booster/All
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 10:48 PM
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Try the toe and toe method; it seemed to work pretty well for me in the Mini.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 04:23 AM
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me too, looking at this https://www.ecstuning.com/b-rennline...6056silver~re/ (note the link is not a mini version, for some reason the mini set has no pictures)
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mini Mania
Know what you mean, my feet aren't quite long enough to do effectively. Plus, the throttle response for blipping the throttle to match revs is not good. That's why many have found the Sprint Booster one of the first mods they make.

http://new.minimania.com/Search_Resu...%20booster/All
this - I'm not allowed to use a sprint booster, but the throttle response is the only thing that gets me, even in sport mode. just feels a half tick delayed the first jab at the throttle. not sure why, maybe to mimic the give a throttle cable has - except it failed and just feels laggy.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 08:30 AM
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Rennline makes a throttle pedal extension specifically for heel toeing. You can check it out HERE. It is only compatible with the Rennline gas pedal, which is HERE. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 08:34 AM
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Yup...try pedal covers....imo pedals that are SLIGHTLY too far appart are an easier fix than too close since adding covers with a slight different shape will close the gap and fix the problem for you for just a couple minutes work and a couple $$.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 08:56 AM
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'll look into the options provided and decide.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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you know of course that "heel and toe" does not accurately describe the technique . . .

Drivers use the "heel and toe" method to smoothly combine braking and downshifting as they approach a corner. Good drivers know that blipping the throttle between gears in a downshift to speed up the engine to match the tire speed keeps the wheels from locking and stops the back end from getting loose. Heel-and-toeing simply combines blipping the throttle with braking. On early European sports and racing cars with a central throttle, the pedals were set up so the driver could use the ball of his right foot on the brake and the heel of the same foot on the gas. On modern cars, the driver uses the right side of his foot to blip the gas and the left side of the same foot to push the brake. Done correctly, your foot pivots quickly on its ball, giving a rapid blip to the throttle with the right side while the left provides steady pressure on the brake. See our how-to video above.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PelicanParts.com
Rennline makes a throttle pedal extension specifically for heel toeing. You can check it out HERE. Let me know if you have any questions.
it looks like two extensions in the photo (toe and heel) are they a set or separate parts
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt_bj
you know of course that "heel and toe" does not accurately describe the technique . . .

Drivers use the "heel and toe" method to smoothly combine braking and downshifting as they approach a corner. Good drivers know that blipping the throttle between gears in a downshift to speed up the engine to match the tire speed keeps the wheels from locking and stops the back end from getting loose. Heel-and-toeing simply combines blipping the throttle with braking. On early European sports and racing cars with a central throttle, the pedals were set up so the driver could use the ball of his right foot on the brake and the heel of the same foot on the gas. On modern cars, the driver uses the right side of his foot to blip the gas and the left side of the same foot to push the brake. Done correctly, your foot pivots quickly on its ball, giving a rapid blip to the throttle with the right side while the left provides steady pressure on the brake. See our how-to video above.
Aka, rev-matching...
Truckers do it all day long to "float gears", aka clutchless shifting in heavy-duty truck trannys that have straight cut gears, and NO synchro's....
Know some old times that "float" gears with the Jake brake on...then they can shift as fast as they can move the lever and never really get off the fuel pedal ....takes a good ear...
Up shifting is easy to float... downshifting is more of an art form ....but when you have 10+ gears and drive 100,000 miles a year....why not?!
 
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Old May 19, 2016 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gjxj
it looks like two extensions in the photo (toe and heel) are they a set or separate parts
It's a throttle extension kit meaning it comes with both heel and toe extensions that can be used individually or together.
 
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Old May 20, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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I find heel toe in my car very very easy, I put the left side of my foot (basically my big toe and some) on the brake and am able to hit the gas with the right side of my foot while braking. (Now I do wear a size 13 shoe so this could be why it's easy). However in any other car I have driven it's nearly impossible for me to do it.
 
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Old May 20, 2016 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
this - I'm not allowed to use a sprint booster, but the throttle response is the only thing that gets me, even in sport mode. just feels a half tick delayed the first jab at the throttle. not sure why, maybe to mimic the give a throttle cable has - except it failed and just feels laggy.
That delay is the motor moving around. it drove me crazy until I installed this:

http://www.waymotorworks.com/powerfl...unt-large.html

Best bang for the buck mod so far.
 
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Old May 23, 2016 | 05:08 AM
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Since installing the helix lightened flywheel the engine response is great for rev down shift heel n toe. I also have the uprated bottom engine mount, but to be clear, I cannot believe that the 1 inch movement of the engine due to the standard engine mount ruins engine response. Sounds crazy. Add to the fact that the engine is experiencing really no torque at the time, means the engine mount doesn't move much. Try a light rev of the car when stationery and watch the engine. Does it really twist much in the bay?


Cheers RW
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ubertev
Am I the only one that finds it awkward to heel and toe in the Mini? I feel like the pedals should have been just a few mm closer. Any recommendations on getting a good method going?
I can do it no problem. I just don't heal toe I big toe little toe lol. It works pretty well the throttle response is weird in this car. I typically blip twice once to wake it up once to rev match.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 11:33 AM
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The F56 rev matches automatically. But I don't see a lot of owners raving about it on the F56 forum. I thought it was a cool idea myself.
 
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