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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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I know, we have one. But if you still put your hand on it, its still very hot. The heat shield and this stuff together I think would be the fix. Not pretty, but functional
Isnt the idea of the heat shield to get hot rather than the scoop. Obviously eventually the heat would seep out of the heat sink but it is large so that the heat will be dispersed across the hood. It's supposed to spread the heat, not eliminate it...same thing a radiator does only it does it with air.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by malteseracer
Isnt the idea of the heat shield to get hot rather than the scoop. Obviously eventually the heat would seep out of the heat sink but it is large so that the heat will be dispersed across the hood. It's supposed to spread the heat, not eliminate it...same thing a radiator does only it does it with air.
I understand that. Hence the name, "shield" and not, "eliminator". I am just saying that the shield still gets hot, not near as hot without it, but hot. Adding the heat material onto the hood should, completley, fix the problem
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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If you wanna do what the pro racers do then use Gold Reflective Heat Barrier Film $$$ but looks gooooood!: You'll see this on GP, ALMS, Grand Am, most pro race teams, use it also for barrier to dirvers area, but then again most of them have unlimited money.....or so it seems.
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...p?Product=1838
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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Ohhh forgot to mention, you apply the film to the underside of your hood in areas you having heat soak problems.....area right above the turbo. Also I disagree possible with the scoop being openend up causing any significant backpressure to air coming in full force through the radiator. Don't forget, you car sucks.....meaning on the bottom the air is being sucked out also, not needing only forced air. Just my opion. I removed the plastic gill and then installed a a deflector about 4" in with some holes in it to control percentage of deflection toward the tubo area. I do notice after running that the hood area is much cooler. Made deflector out of SS with 90 degree bend giving about 2 1/2 " of deflection. I can vary the amount by covering up holes, 4 one inch holes.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tgs91
Hey guys,

I apparently got one of the thin plastic hood scoops on my R56 cause it started warping.

Suppose we can have a discussion on why BMW's only response has been to add thickness to the plastic they use or why they do not make use of additional air flow by making it a real hood scoop. Maybe save that for another day.

I talked to my SA and it is under warranty and I took Mark (Lotise's) suggestion and asked him if I could pay the diff for a carbon fiber one. No problem. Gonna cost me about $180 diff. Not crazy about the price but it does take care of the problem.

This brings up two questions-

1) I was also looking at a M7 heat shield if I had to stick with another plastic one. Is there any reason to get the heat shield with the CF scoop?

2) On my mod wish list I'm thinkin' about one of those air injection setups that Way Motor Works and other Mod Shops offers. I can't think how a CF hood scoop is gonna mess with those plans but want to put it out there for feedback
I know this is a little late but I did the same thing. The dealer made me pay 100.00 difference....

Having said that, the carbon fiber sucked in with heat also. No where near the same amount as the plastic one but nonetheless, you could see slight indentations.

On my '09, I opened up the grille and put some insulation material under the hood. With almost 9K miles, I still have no indentations.

Mark
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDog888
If you wanna do what the pro racers do then use Gold Reflective Heat Barrier Film $$$ but looks gooooood!: You'll see this on GP, ALMS, Grand Am, most pro race teams, use it also for barrier to dirvers area, but then again most of them have unlimited money.....or so it seems.
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...p?Product=1838
Really not that bad..($). It wouldn't take much. Might be worth a try.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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So which would be better the gold or the aluminized sheeting?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Well the dealer didn't return my emails, so I stopped by there with my scoop problem today. They ordered a new one, and said that it will take 3+weeks for it to get there... I asked what's gonna happen when it melts again, and they said they will just keep replacing it. They weren't too keen on giving out the CF scoop, they even didn't want to entertain the idea of me paying the difference...

I guess I'll just keep going back there every time it melts..
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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I just got a call from my dealer that my hood scoop finally came in. I took in for service 2 months ago and they just got it in. Yahoo. My SA said it is a new design that's why it took so long. Hopefully this will be the only time it needs to be replaced.
 

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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:16 PM
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I was told that it will be multiple replacements... I hope I don't have to wait 2 months for my damn scoop to arrive..
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by willsblackmini08
My SA said it is a Jew design that's why it took so long.
Whoa, that is a typo, isn't it?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by willsblackmini08
I just got a call from my dealer that my hood scoop finally came in. I took in for service 2 months ago and they just got it in. Yahoo. My SA said it is a Jew design that's why it took so long. Hopefully this will e the only time it needs to be replaced.
Shall we count down how many posts before the posts roll in about that comment???

Yeah, it's a cheap design and the JCW carbon fiber one is even worse. You'd think for as much as they charge....


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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by willsblackmini08
"Jew design"
Tisk tisk...
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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If it wasn't a typo, Un freaking believable comment, willsblack minio8. Surely you jest? Even so, .
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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Dudes, read the sentence, i'm sure he meant "new". The "j" is right above the "n".
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:15 PM
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Now I wonder when I replace my scoop and I plan on going with the CF look if I should have the M7 Shield with me or the heat tape stop around the corner and put it on or drive the 168 miles from the nearest dealer to my home and then do it? Since its a "new" design and all.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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I think someone needs to make a ribbed copper scoop to suck that heat out of there.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 05:15 AM
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Tron Chief,

Remember, the heat problem doesn't occur unless the car is stopped in hot weather traffic for long periods or stopped altogether with the engine off. As long as your drive home is mostly highway speeds, there shouldn't be any excessive heat. Just open your hood when you get home to let it cool. That's the least costly way to avoid the heat problem, but a pia.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 05:19 AM
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Could willsblackmini08 have meant "Jcw" design, not "new" design?
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Dudes, read the sentence, i'm sure he meant "new". The "j" is right above the "n".



I'm glad one of us is smart enough to realize that....

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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Robin Casady
Whoa, that is a typo, isn't it?
Yes and I just fixed it. I reply to posts from time to time on my iPhone and if you are off by just a bit it changes the word to what it "thought" you were trying to say. I just typed this on a PC to make sure there were no problems. Trust me I would never say that in any way. I do apoligize if it offended anyone on here.

And thank you to everyone who realized it was a typo.
 

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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
I know, we have one. But if you still put your hand on it, its still very hot. The heat shield and this stuff together I think would be the fix. Not pretty, but functional
Are you serious? Of course it's hot! Put your hand anywhere on the engine after running and it will be muy caliente.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Hell I touched my STB when my car had been sitting in the sun for a few hours and it was hot as all get out. But than my car is black.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight Walhood
Are you serious? Of course it's hot! Put your hand anywhere on the engine after running and it will be muy caliente.
This gets old having to explain posts. I said what I said in response to a gentleman saying that the M7 shield already had heat resistant material on it. I said I understood that, but it still gets hot . Yes everything get's hot under the hood, but the area directly over the turbo gets EXTREMELY hot.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by willsblackmini08
Hell I touched my STB when my car had been sitting in the sun for a few hours and it was hot as all get out. But than my car is black.
UFF DA! I've always thought the finger tip heat sensor was kind of like the Norwegian wet finger voltage tester . Ja, I be Norski!
 
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