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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Intercooler?

Does the R56 have an intercooler?

If so, where is it, under the air cleaner?

If not, has anyone added one yet?

Seems like a fairly easy add, just open the front hood scoop and plop it right on top of the motor, should add significantly to the HP capability......

I have an R53, and drove my first R56 yesterday, these questions came up while looking under the hood..........
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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Assuming the one you drove was an "S", yes... It's a front mount... behind the lower front grille...
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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its really small too =]
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 06:58 PM
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Indeed it does have an intercooler. Right up front.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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that itty bitty thing is the intercooler?



dang
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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It's not a very large turbo
 
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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True...

I guess i was expecting something with more cooler in the inter.

I can't help but want to take the metal covering off the turbo...


If the intercooler is that small, I can only imagine what the turbo looks like
 

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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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Great looking Intercooler!

The illustration above looks to me like an excellent design and install for the intercooler.

There is a 24 page 'pdf' that I downloaded from NAM that shows the Turbo:

Look for >>> 2022_Soft_Technologie_eng >>> and here is their description of the Turbo.

Elaborate twin-scroll turbocharger technology avoiding the usual
turbo “lag”.
For the first time in this class, the direct injection engine in the new family
comes with a twin-scroll turbocharger. Featuring this technology, the ducts of
each two cylinders in the exhaust manifolds and turbochargers are different
from one another in their design. Reducing exhaust gas counterpressure at
low engine speeds, twin-scroll charger technology capitalises on the dynamic
effect of the pulsing gas columns in the exhaust manifolds. The result is
additional power and thrust on even less fuel, enabling the turbocharger to
boost engine output from an earlier point. This effect is clearly noticeable,
with the charger building up extra power from roughly 1,400 rpm, almost
completely avoiding the “turbo lag” often criticised on turbocharged engines,
and generating torque almost as fast as in a compressor engine.
The flow of exhaust gas accelerates the turbine wheel to a speed of up to
220,000 rpm. And at the same time the compressor running on the same
shaft compresses the fresh air fed into the system. A wastegate complete with
a check valve monitors the maximum turbocharger pressure of 0.8 bar.
In addition, overpressure in the system is controlled by a dump valve activated
when coasting with the intake manifold closed. To increase the charge level,
the pre-compressed fresh air is cooled down in an intercooler before flowing
into the combustion chamber. The intercooler itself is fitted in the car
at a predetermined point meeting all the requirements of this particular
configuration.
Maximum exhaust gas temperature is monitored by the electronic engine
“brain” and is limited to 950 °C (1,742 °F). To prevent excessive build-up of
heat in the oil- and water-cooled turbocharger after the engine has been
stopped, an additional electrical water pump starts automatically as soon as
the car comes to a standstill, dissipating any excess thermal energy from
the system.
Remember that this IS a MINI! and 'small package' is the name-of-the-game.

Turbocharging is the best way to have so much more power available without a larger, heavier and thirstier engine to push around all the time.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotart
The illustration above looks to me like an excellent design and install for the intercooler.
The turbo location is excellent, but the full path to get the outside air into the engine couldn't be much worse. It literally goes from the back of the engine, to the front, down the side, back again through the front, up, and to the back again. Quite circuitous.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 05:48 AM
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Excellent design to have Exhaust and Intake Manifolds on opposite sides of the head!

It is intake from "back..." Turbine Output is from front of engine to the best location for cooling airflow through the intercooler.

A tuned intake manifold passage will often be quite long, recall Chrysler's (early '60's) Racing Engines that had intake manifolds extended from each edge of the engine compartment.

Another advantage of a 'Long' intake passage with a Turbocharged Engine is that it gives you a larger volume of accumulated upper deck pressure to minimize 'turbo-lag'.
 

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Old Aug 7, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Thanks for the replies, guys and especially the pic - very clear how it works now. Seems easy to upgrade as well if you went to a bigger turbo, or just ran the boost on this one up a bit......
 
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotart
Another advantage of a 'Long' intake passage with a Turbocharged Engine is that it gives you a larger volume of accumulated upper deck pressure to minimize 'turbo-lag'.
I have never heard or seen this to be the case at all. Additional plumbing for a front mount causes delay in boost pressure, increasing turbo lag. This is a common problem for Subaru's which all come with top mount IC's.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:12 AM
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The turbo location is excellent, but the full path to get the outside air into the engine couldn't be much worse. It literally goes from the back of the engine, to the front, down the side, back again through the front, up, and to the back again. Quite circuitous.
How else would you accomplish this? Top mount has it's own drawbacks including heat soak but the most likely issue for this car was how much taller the hood would need to be to accomodate a top mount and still comply with pedestrian impact regulations.
 
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