R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+) MINI Cooper and Cooper S (R56) hatchback discussion.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

R56 I'd like to be a flasher, but...

Old May 5, 2007 | 01:02 PM
  #1  
daffodildeb's Avatar
daffodildeb
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,743
Likes: 5
From: Hot Springs Village, AR
I'd like to be a flasher, but...

...is it shortening the life of my bi-xenons?
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 01:38 PM
  #2  
BludyL's Avatar
BludyL
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: Washington DC
I'd like to be a flasher too, but I have real body anxiety issues which I compensate for by buying cool cars.
 

Last edited by BludyL; May 7, 2007 at 07:31 PM.
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:00 PM
  #3  
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by daffodildeb
...is it shortening the life of my bi-xenons?
P103 of your manual. The short answer is ... yes.

I have bi-xenons in a car but they also have a third halogen bulb specifically for passing (flashing). It appears the MINI does not have this third bulb so if your a compulsive flasher, it does not sound like a good thing to do.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:08 PM
  #4  
BludyL's Avatar
BludyL
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: Washington DC
Wow, from page 103 of the manual...

"The service life of these bulbs is very long and the probability of failure very low, provided that they are not switched on and off an excessive number of times."

Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?
 

Last edited by BludyL; May 7, 2007 at 07:31 PM.
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:09 PM
  #5  
4xAAA's Avatar
4xAAA
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,369
Likes: 0
From: Bryan Texas
Toggle the fog lights?
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:11 PM
  #6  
Guest's Avatar
Guest
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,902
Likes: 2
From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Unless the MINI headlights work differently than every other bi-xenon headlight, the highbeams work simply by using a mirror to alter the beam pattern, you don't actually activate another bulb when you hit the highbeams...
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:16 PM
  #7  
TheBigNewt's Avatar
TheBigNewt
OVERDRIVE
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,602
Likes: 107
From: Arizona
So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 02:39 PM
  #8  
mommashine's Avatar
mommashine
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
From: Zachary, LA
Originally Posted by BludyL
I'd like to be a flasher too, but I have real body anxiety issues which I compensate for by buying cool cars.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 03:45 PM
  #9  
familiarstranger's Avatar
familiarstranger
6th Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,185
Likes: 0
From: Orange County, California
Originally Posted by TheBigNewt
So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?
Thats (from my understanding) correct. The brights are not another actual bulb so flashing them should do no harm
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 04:10 PM
  #10  
Coffeeman's Avatar
Coffeeman
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 474
Likes: 3
From: Maryland
Most bi-xenons use an electro-mechanical shutter to expose more of the beam when using high beams. Most vehicles (not the Mini) have a halogen bulb for flashing, as does my X5. The xenon lamps in the Mini are covered under BMW's free maintenance program.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 04:22 PM
  #11  
jmelrose's Avatar
jmelrose
5th Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
From: Celebration, FL
The regular lights are 1/2 covered by a shutter. Brights are the full lights, possibly with fog lights also.

The excessive wear/tear is when the lights are turned completely off and on over and over again.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 04:34 PM
  #12  
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by BludyL
Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?
Just google Xenon bulbs. The internet is a marvelous place. They are not cheap, not like $7 H3s.

Excessive? Obviously BMW isn't telling This is why the xenons are not used for DRLs. At least in the first gen cars, the high beams were halogen and the DRLs were just the high beam halogens switched on/off hundreds of times/sec. You cannot do that with Xenons (well I guess you can buy the bulb might not last very long). If you see a car with Xenons on as DRLs, they are just the "headlights" on.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 05:21 PM
  #13  
lava's Avatar
lava
5th Gear
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 1
From: merchantville, nj
I think deb was referring to flashing your headlights during daytime as a greeting to other mini drivers. I've been trying to wave if I have the window down, but I have not come up with a suitable way to salute if the window is up.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 05:41 PM
  #14  
daffodildeb's Avatar
daffodildeb
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,743
Likes: 5
From: Hot Springs Village, AR
Lava's got it right--flashing as a greeting to fellow MINIs, or as a signal, like "the earth's edge is 100 yards ahead," LOL.

So, I'd better not flash my lights, I guess. I'm not worried about the warranty period--it's the years after that that concern me!
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 06:01 PM
  #15  
sbutler20's Avatar
sbutler20
2nd Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
From: sacramento
Not sure, but I recently had to replace the HID's in our BMW (sold for the Mini) it was approx $800 but that included ballasts and ignitors. I would suspect they are not cheap for the bulbs.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 07:09 PM
  #16  
MIN 18's Avatar
MIN 18
3rd Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 207
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by TheBigNewt
So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?
yeps bi-xenon works that way

MINI should have put in a halogen bulb for the flaser...
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 07:57 PM
  #17  
lhoboy's Avatar
lhoboy
6th Gear
20 Year Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,223
Likes: 0
From: DC
Originally Posted by BludyL
Wow, from page 103 of the manual...

"The service life of these bulbs is very long and the probability of failure very low, provided that they are not switched on and off an excessive number of times."

Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?
I heard a rumor that the bulbs alone were $200. I don't know if that is for each or for the pair.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 09:52 PM
  #18  
dwdyer's Avatar
dwdyer
5th Gear
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 826
Likes: 2
From: Austin, TX
Wave, don't flash. Flashing confuses the other drivers that aren't the target of the flash.
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2007 | 10:35 PM
  #19  
tigwantstoplay's Avatar
tigwantstoplay
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,782
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, Ca
But I like to flash...especially when Tom Leykis calls for Flash Fridays It's a shame it's so expensive....ya know, with bulb replacement and all
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2007 | 05:26 AM
  #20  
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by daffodildeb
Lava's got it right--flashing as a greeting to fellow MINIs
Ahh. Traditionally flashing the highs was simply a way to tell the car ahead of you that you want to pass.

If you flash you highs into oncoming traffic, your warning them that the police is down the road (not something the police appreciate)
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2007 | 07:28 AM
  #21  
Robin Casady's Avatar
Robin Casady
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,578
Likes: 5
From: Paradise
Originally Posted by chows4us
If you flash you highs into oncoming traffic, your warning them that the police is down the road (not something the police appreciate)
Or that they have their high beams on.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2007 | 09:19 AM
  #22  
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by Robin Casady
Or that they have their high beams on.
Correct
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2007 | 10:39 AM
  #23  
daffodildeb's Avatar
daffodildeb
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,743
Likes: 5
From: Hot Springs Village, AR
Okay, okay, I'll slink away...and wave.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2007 | 10:52 AM
  #24  
Guest's Avatar
Guest
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,902
Likes: 2
From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Originally Posted by lhoboy
I heard a rumor that the bulbs alone were $200. I don't know if that is for each or for the pair.
You can find HID D2S bulbs for under $80, cheaper if you turn to Ebay, so they're not really any more expensive than high quality Halogens. Keep in mind the service life of an HID bulb is generally 2-3x as long as a comparable Halogen, so they more than pay for themselves. It's usually recommended that you replace both HID bulbs at once because the colors don't ALWAYS match. Over time the bulb tends to get more and more yellow looking (Loses color temperature). A bulb with 50k miles on it may appear to be whitish yellow, while a bulb with 10 miles on it may appear more bluish white.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Getrieben
1st Gear
23
Sep 12, 2024 07:03 AM
Getrieben
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
12
Aug 17, 2016 06:32 AM
AZ R53
GP Talk
15
Sep 22, 2015 06:17 PM
DrDiff
Electrical
1
Nov 28, 2005 01:04 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:46 AM.