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daffodildeb May 5, 2007 01:02 PM

I'd like to be a flasher, but...
 
...is it shortening the life of my bi-xenons? :confused:

BludyL May 5, 2007 01:38 PM

I'd like to be a flasher too, but I have real body anxiety issues which I compensate for by buying cool cars.

chows4us May 5, 2007 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by daffodildeb (Post 1508218)
...is it shortening the life of my bi-xenons? :confused:

P103 of your manual. The short answer is ... yes.

I have bi-xenons in a car but they also have a third halogen bulb specifically for passing (flashing). It appears the MINI does not have this third bulb so if your a compulsive flasher, it does not sound like a good thing to do.

BludyL May 5, 2007 02:08 PM

Wow, from page 103 of the manual...

"The service life of these bulbs is very long and the probability of failure very low, provided that they are not switched on and off an excessive number of times."

Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?

4xAAA May 5, 2007 02:09 PM

Toggle the fog lights?

Guest May 5, 2007 02:11 PM

Unless the MINI headlights work differently than every other bi-xenon headlight, the highbeams work simply by using a mirror to alter the beam pattern, you don't actually activate another bulb when you hit the highbeams...

TheBigNewt May 5, 2007 02:16 PM

So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?

mommashine May 5, 2007 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by BludyL (Post 1508247)
I'd like to be a flasher too, but I have real body anxiety issues which I compensate for by buying cool cars.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

familiarstranger May 5, 2007 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by TheBigNewt (Post 1508282)
So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?

Thats (from my understanding) correct. The brights are not another actual bulb so flashing them should do no harm

Coffeeman May 5, 2007 04:10 PM

Most bi-xenons use an electro-mechanical shutter to expose more of the beam when using high beams. Most vehicles (not the Mini) have a halogen bulb for flashing, as does my X5. The xenon lamps in the Mini are covered under BMW's free maintenance program.

jmelrose May 5, 2007 04:22 PM

The regular lights are 1/2 covered by a shutter. Brights are the full lights, possibly with fog lights also.

The excessive wear/tear is when the lights are turned completely off and on over and over again.

chows4us May 5, 2007 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by BludyL (Post 1508274)
Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?

Just google Xenon bulbs. The internet is a marvelous place:). They are not cheap, not like $7 H3s.

Excessive? Obviously BMW isn't telling:wink: This is why the xenons are not used for DRLs. At least in the first gen cars, the high beams were halogen and the DRLs were just the high beam halogens switched on/off hundreds of times/sec. You cannot do that with Xenons (well I guess you can buy the bulb might not last very long). If you see a car with Xenons on as DRLs, they are just the "headlights" on.

lava May 5, 2007 05:21 PM

I think deb was referring to flashing your headlights during daytime as a greeting to other mini drivers. I've been trying to wave if I have the window down, but I have not come up with a suitable way to salute if the window is up.

daffodildeb May 5, 2007 05:41 PM

Lava's got it right--flashing as a greeting to fellow MINIs, or as a signal, like "the earth's edge is 100 yards ahead," LOL.

So, I'd better not flash my lights, I guess. I'm not worried about the warranty period--it's the years after that that concern me!

sbutler20 May 5, 2007 06:01 PM

Not sure, but I recently had to replace the HID's in our BMW (sold for the Mini) it was approx $800 but that included ballasts and ignitors. I would suspect they are not cheap for the bulbs.

MIN 18 May 5, 2007 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by TheBigNewt (Post 1508282)
So the lower of the 2 apparent lights that's on with lowbeams is actually the only bulb and the upper one just lights using a mirror for highbeams?

yeps bi-xenon works that way :)

MINI should have put in a halogen bulb for the flaser...

lhoboy May 5, 2007 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by BludyL (Post 1508274)
Wow, from page 103 of the manual...

"The service life of these bulbs is very long and the probability of failure very low, provided that they are not switched on and off an excessive number of times."

Seriously though, how much would it cost to replace the bulbs? What constitutes "excessive number of times."?

I heard a rumor that the bulbs alone were $200. I don't know if that is for each or for the pair.

dwdyer May 5, 2007 09:52 PM

Wave, don't flash. Flashing confuses the other drivers that aren't the target of the flash.

tigwantstoplay May 5, 2007 10:35 PM

But I like to flash...especially when Tom Leykis calls for Flash Fridays :wink: It's a shame it's so expensive....ya know, with bulb replacement and all :lol:

chows4us May 6, 2007 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by daffodildeb (Post 1508455)
Lava's got it right--flashing as a greeting to fellow MINIs

Ahh. Traditionally flashing the highs was simply a way to tell the car ahead of you that you want to pass.

If you flash you highs into oncoming traffic, your warning them that the police is down the road (not something the police appreciate:wink:)

Robin Casady May 6, 2007 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by chows4us (Post 1508821)
If you flash you highs into oncoming traffic, your warning them that the police is down the road (not something the police appreciate:wink:)

Or that they have their high beams on.

chows4us May 6, 2007 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Robin Casady (Post 1508884)
Or that they have their high beams on.

Correct:thumbsup:

daffodildeb May 6, 2007 10:39 AM

Okay, okay, I'll slink away...and wave. :o

Guest May 6, 2007 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by lhoboy (Post 1508584)
I heard a rumor that the bulbs alone were $200. I don't know if that is for each or for the pair.

You can find HID D2S bulbs for under $80, cheaper if you turn to Ebay, so they're not really any more expensive than high quality Halogens. Keep in mind the service life of an HID bulb is generally 2-3x as long as a comparable Halogen, so they more than pay for themselves. It's usually recommended that you replace both HID bulbs at once because the colors don't ALWAYS match. Over time the bulb tends to get more and more yellow looking (Loses color temperature). A bulb with 50k miles on it may appear to be whitish yellow, while a bulb with 10 miles on it may appear more bluish white.


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