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Old May 3, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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Differences in '02/'03/'04/'05/'06 MINIs??

Short of looking at VINs on stranger's cars, is there a quick down-and-dirty way to differentiate between the different model years of MCs and MCSs? I know the '05 (and presumably the '06) have the different head/tail lights and the relocated back-up lights, but other than colors, are there any tricks to tell model years at a glance?

No practical reason for asking. . .just the typical MINI minutiae we love to discuss. :smile:

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Old May 3, 2005 | 09:04 AM
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02 to 03 is tough I think the only visual difference is the accessories power outlet in the boot. 03-04 I think The Xenons are different 05 the taillights. Good luck
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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The Zenon's are different from 04 to 05.


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Old May 3, 2005 | 11:58 AM
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The fresh air vents on the bonnet changed (sometime) between '03 and '04. The early vents were plastic with a fairly large honeycomb pattern and a foam pre-filter sandwiched inside. The later vents had a smaller inner structure....all plastic.
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 12:40 PM
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The chrome edge of the bonnet grill is flat on the '05, whereas it's contoured on the '02 - '04.

Also, if you see the little black box at the top center of the windshield (rain sensing wipers), it can't be an '02.

3-spoke steering wheel began in '04, no boot power-outlet in '03, all new headlights in '05.

Also, certain colors can determine a model year. The celery green color is gone (I think that was only in '02 - at least with matching interior), as is Indy Blue ('02 - '04).

There are lots of little clues, but some of them require crawling around inside the car or popping the bonnet.

Ultimately, it's probably going to be easier to recognize periods than specific model years ('02 - '04 look similar, '05 and '06 probably will look very similar, etc.).
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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Here are some other possible visible clues, but I have no idea exactly when they kicked in:

- vent on the deck of the rear parcel shelf. (MCS only?...my early '03 Cooper has no such vent)

- exterior door handle release. Later versions slant back a bit...they were redesigned at some point apparently. Mine are more flat and remains parallel to the handle when pressed. Later ones pivot somewhat.

- thumb bumps on the leather steering wheel. Some have 'em, some don't. Any clues on the changes? My leather non-MFSW doesn't have them.
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 01:28 PM
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'02 and '03 MINis are essentially the same exact car. The rear power outlet in the boot was taken off in 2003 and came back in 2004 (2002's had the rear powerpoint).

'02 Factory MINI stereos do not support AUX or Satellite radio functions.

2004's are essentially '02-'03 MINIs done right Better built and ultimately much more reliable.

Also keep in mind that in all those production years, MINI has made several changes and revisions to the car in areas invisible to the naked eye.

2005-2006 MINIs are MINIs a la perfecto!
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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I'd heard that that vent was for the rear mount battery in the MCS - don't think that was model year specific. . .

Sheesh, this is like trying to pinpoint model years of VW Beetles in the 60s. . .

I guess peeking at VIN plates is the solution, then.


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Here are some other possible visible clues, but I have no idea exactly when they kicked in:

- vent on the deck of the rear parcel shelf. (MCS only?...my early '03 Cooper has no such vent)
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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'02's and early '03's also had the "harsh" suspension that was replaced with a softer one after many complaints .
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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Here's the unofficial difference list for Cooper S:

2002 : First version released.

2003 : Second version released with a few more colour options, and 1 more interior colour option. Tightened up the screws behind the dash, and oiled the suspension a little bit more. Put in the handful of screws they forgot to put in the previous year.

2004 : After 2 years, Oxford Plant finally mastered the art of the screwdriver, and made everything nice and snug. Even added digital speed to the on-board computer, anthracite to the S, and added cordoba beige to interior colour towards end of production, just for me. By far the most genuine and well built S yet.

2005 : Three years turning the screw driver, and now they're starting to get lazy. The newcomers to the team try to make a name for themselves by re-desiging the beautiful engineering Frankie took 5 years to come up with. Good job morons! . Moved the clock from the best possible position, to the worst. Added a monkey bar to passenger side, because they needed something to hold on to while screwing in the screws from 2003. Changed the rear light cluster because they were bored. Only thing they did right was the 7hp added to the engine.

2006 : Someone effed up big time somewhere. And because of that we all get affected in one way or another because they will be killing the car in this year. European pedestrian laws my ****. Society at it's best.

That sums up the changes for the "Original" MINI.... or will they want us to call it Classic MINI ??........
 
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Old May 3, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Wow, Camelpilot, you're not bitter, are you?

I love that "art of the screwdriver" bit.
 
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Old May 5, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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The '05 is easy to spot with the new, larger radio antenna base. Also the new headlights/tail lights are easy to spot, but when the '06s come out this tip might not work for long.

The '04s are the only year with the original headlights/tail lights AND the all plastic air intakes with out the honeycomb "sponge" material like on the '03 & '02s at the base of the front windshield.

Now, I have asked this before - how dose one tell an '02 from an '03 from the OUTSIDE of the car? Once I spot the original air intakes with the honeycomb shape and sponge material, I just ask the owner if it is an '02 or '03.
 
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Old May 5, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by camelpilot

2006 : Someone effed up big time somewhere. And because of that we all get affected in one way or another because they will be killing the car in this year. European pedestrian laws my ****. Society at it's best.
Actually, this won't be happening until the 2007 model.


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... how does one tell an '02 from an '03 from the OUTSIDE of the car?
On a Cooper S, peer in the driver-side window and check out the pedals ... it's an '02 if they're rubber coated. Of course many '02 owners have swapped these out for the alloy pedals
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ahamos

Also, certain colors can determine a model year. The celery green color is gone (I think that was only in '02 - at least with matching interior), as is Indy Blue ('02 - '04).
Solid Goldreplaced Silk Green mid-2003. Velvet Red was dismissed at the end of MY 2003.
Body colored mirror caps made available MY 2005. Black mirror caps on '02-'04 for black roofs and roof in body color.

The "plain" 2 spoke steering wheel on the MCS was changed to the perforated with "thumb rests" early 2003.

Alloy Patina (MCS) and silver (MC) were the only dash/door trim colors on the '02's. Antracite available early 2003.

If not already removed, MY 2004 had the black cup holder near the bottom of the down tube, and '05 have the "big" chrome wire cupholder at the top of the down tube.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 05:30 AM
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The hard sport suspension was cut in the 2003 1/2 Minis. However, with that update, they recieved the better 2 spoke steering wheel, perforated and thicker, and the aluminum trim pedals.
Also, There was a "hood rub" issue some where in there, but I think that was covered with the 2003 1/2.
2004 1/2 got 3 spoke wheel, new fasica, suspension geomerty, bunch of stuff. (see above posts)
2005 biggest thing is quicker gears
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ahamos
... 3-spoke steering wheel began in '04, ...
Clarification: 3-spoke steering wheel bagan in later '04. Early '04s still had two-spoke.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ofioliti
Clarification: 3-spoke steering wheel bagan in later '04. Early '04s still had two-spoke.
The 3-spoke steering was initially offered as a $250 "Option" alongside the 2-spoke sport wheel for MINIs built as of November-December 2003. Towards the end of the 2004 model year, MINI phased out the 2-spoke wheel completely from US production.

While I like the look and feel of the 3-spoke wheel, I miss the superior MFSW controls for the stereo behind the spokes as in the old 2-spoke wheel.

Also, the 2-spoke sport wheel is still being offered in new MINIs outside of Northamerica as standard factory equipment.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mcswrks
The hard sport suspension was cut in the 2003 1/2 Minis. However, with that update, they recieved the better 2 spoke steering wheel, perforated and thicker, and the aluminum trim pedals.
Also, There was a "hood rub" issue some where in there, but I think that was covered with the 2003 1/2.
2004 1/2 got 3 spoke wheel, new fasica, suspension geomerty, bunch of stuff. (see above posts)
2005 biggest thing is quicker gears
For the MCS, the biggest mechanical changes for 2005 were:

Close ratio 6-speed Getrag. 1st gear 12% shorter than in the '02-'04 MCS
Revised and more free flowing exhaust system with "Popping" sound tuning
Revised ECU programming
Second generation Eaton Supercharger with coated and stronger splines. The same upgrade supercharger originally offered with the JCW Kit.
7 pounds feet more of torque (155 vs 162 for 2005)
5 HP more (163 vs 168 for 2005) which actually feel more like 45-50HP when all is said and done. .

The Cooper received an all new close ratio 5-speed Getrag manual transmission that replaced the old Midland Gears sourced 5-speed used from '02-'04. However, the Cooper did not see an increase of HP as the MCS did.

The Cooper CVT is the only model that is essentially carryover from previous years. No mechanical changes whatsoever.

As of January 2005, the most significant changes to close the production year were:

Factory LSD available for the 6-speed manual MCS only.
"Intelligent" dual-stage airbag system with passenger weight sensors in both front seats.
Hydraulically operated 6-speed automatic transmission for the Cooper S. This transmission is sourced from Japanese manufacturer, AISIN.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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I believe the '05 has a three piece dash. Fewer pieces = fewer squeaks was probably the thinking
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Solarmax_Racing
I believe the '05 has a three piece dash. Fewer pieces = fewer squeaks was probably the thinking
The main reason is that it is cheaper to manufacture as well.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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The main reason is that it is cheaper to manufacture as well.
And assemble. Squeaks in the dash probably got them looking at it initially and... Hey... double win... we can make it better and cheaper.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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We need a chart/table listing all this stuff through the years (and months):smile:
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIAC
On a Cooper S, peer in the driver-side window and check out the pedals ... it's an '02 if they're rubber coated. Of course many '02 owners have swapped these out for the alloy pedals
Not necessarily. My early 03 build MCS has the rubber pedals. When I finish wearing them out, I may replace them with the alloy ones to match my dead pedal.
 
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Old May 6, 2005 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Agro

Not necessarily. My early 03 build MCS has the rubber pedals. When I finish wearing them out, I may replace them with the alloy ones to match my dead pedal.
I stand corrected ... the alloy pedals were introduced with 2002 week 48 builds

How to fit factory alloy pedals to older models
 
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