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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 01:36 PM
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Clutch issues, cant get shift into gear with engine running

Hi all, need some ideas, my son's R50 starting doing this last week. 2006 R50, manual trans.

With the engine running the car will not go in gear. With the engine off, no problems.

I've checked and bled the hydraulics, no leaks. The fluid was the color of coffee. All clear now.

When you engage the clutch pedal it makes a slight scraping noise. I'll attach a video. I'm not sure the sound comes through in the video.

 
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 01:41 PM
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 02:50 AM
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I was thinking about this some more and one possibility is that the clutch fork is bent. Not sure if you can diagnose this without dropping the gearbox. The slave cylinder hole does give you a view on a small part of the fork
 
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 04:06 AM
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Mine did the same thing. It was an issue with the clutch assembly. For some reason the new LUK brand clutch had decided it would not engage. (It was a few months old and had worked). I swapped the clutch for a Valeo brand and no more issues. You can read more about it here. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-ideas-13.html

Issue stars around post #304 and goes on to #340
 
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 04:13 AM
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Appreciate you for the replies, sirs.

If anyone else had some experience with this I’d be interested to here about it
 
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Boostmaster
Mine did the same thing. It was an issue with the clutch assembly. For some reason the new LUK brand clutch had decided it would not engage. (It was a few months old and had worked). I swapped the clutch for a Valeo brand and no more issues. You can read more about it here. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-ideas-13.html

Issue stars around post #304 and goes on to #340
going to read through this
 
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Boostmaster
Mine did the same thing. It was an issue with the clutch assembly. For some reason the new LUK brand clutch had decided it would not engage. (It was a few months old and had worked). I swapped the clutch for a Valeo brand and no more issues. You can read more about it here. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-ideas-13.html

Issue stars around post #304 and goes on to #340

thats was very helpful. thank you. your situation sounds very much like mine. looks like im in for a new clutch...
 
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 09:10 AM
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Glad it was helpful!
 
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Old Nov 4, 2024 | 08:07 AM
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here we are again my friends. waiting on parts


 
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Old Nov 4, 2024 | 01:25 PM
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We've all been there, hopefully your new clutch will show up soon.

I'm hoping I don't have to take out the subframe anytime soon. Funny to see some many people have that type of transmission floor jack. Here in Europe it's either the Draper or Sealey brand, in the USA it always seem to be the HF or Pittsburgh.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2024 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LukasH
We've all been there, hopefully your new clutch will show up soon.

I'm hoping I don't have to take out the subframe anytime soon. Funny to see some many people have that type of transmission floor jack. Here in Europe it's either the Draper or Sealey brand, in the USA it always seem to be the HF or Pittsburgh.

ha! yes sir, HF trans jack, see it all over the forums.

have you had a chance to test your clutch yet?

here is the one that i ordered: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/min...ooper-52001202
 
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Old Nov 4, 2024 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ssoliman
ha! yes sir, HF trans jack, see it all over the forums.

have you had a chance to test your clutch yet?

here is the one that i ordered: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/min...ooper-52001202
Not yet, waiting for a new slave cylinder so I can bleed the system. Fingers 🤞 my issue is that simple.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2024 | 08:17 AM
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thats was very helpful. thank you. your situation sounds very much like mine. looks like im in for a new clutch...
Definitely a clutch issue , because I recently purchased a JCW with this exact same problem and after tearing down discovered clutch & throwout bearing shot…
 
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Old Nov 6, 2024 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tombstone
Definitely a clutch issue , because I recently purchased a JCW with this exact same problem and after tearing down discovered clutch & throwout bearing shot…

thank you for the reply, tombstone. I'm taking the opportunity to do some other needed maintenance while the subframe is out
 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 09:35 AM
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no activity on the clutch replacement yet. i was able to do some work on the subframe while it is out.

-new control arm bushings
-new swaybar bushings
-new inner and outer ball joints
-new power steering hoses and reservoir
-new tie rods (not installed just yet)

Note on the control arm bushings, this (pic attached) assembly lube makes install a breeze. without it, nothing but curs words...



 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 10:03 AM
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That subframe looks like new! Did you respray it or are you in a rust free state? New seen one that clean here in The Netherlands.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2024 | 05:18 PM
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All I did was degreaser and a quick power wash. It was full of grim (power steering leaks)

we are in the south
 
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Old Dec 16, 2024 | 12:08 PM
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I got the trans out. Looks like it had the stock clutch (Luk) in it. Looked ok at first, was not too worn, but then, on closer inspection, THIS. The pressure plate is broken! Everything else was in order. So mystery solved. I'm going to replace and put everything back together.





 
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Old Dec 16, 2024 | 01:05 PM
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Woah that's quite bizar. Glad you found the issue and thanks for sharing. Never seen this before.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2024 | 01:44 PM
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yes sir, if it were a bit to the right i would not have seen it. would've been hidden behind the outer shell of the pressure plate
 
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