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Old Feb 21, 2021 | 07:13 PM
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Oil consumption?

My R53 has 167k mikes with many mods and does not leak a drop of oil ( yes replaced all the seals and gaskets) however I’ve been going through roughly a quart of oil every 1,500 miles. To me this isn’t normal but that’s what I’m asking. I sent off a oil sample on my last oil change and came back good.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 07:31 AM
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At 167k miles, without any leaks it's definitely worn piston rings. Getting any black smoke or soot deposits from your exhaust tips?
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 09:27 AM
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A quart every 1500 miles doesn't seem too bad for a car with 167k miles. When you get under 1000 miles per quart it gets annoying.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cooper48
At 167k miles, without any leaks it's definitely worn piston rings. Getting any black smoke or soot deposits from your exhaust tips?
No smoke but maybe deposits. I recently added a product called “Restore” that’s supposed to help seal piston rings so we’ll see?
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 09:38 AM
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Has the pcv valve been cleaned or replaced? They can sometimes be the culprit.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 01:20 PM
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Has the pcv valve been cleaned or replaced? They can sometimes be the culprit.
Yep been replaced recently. Thanks!
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 04:17 PM
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Do MINI owners do a de-carb with Seafoam like other carbon prone engines? I have not seen it mentioned. I'm new here though and may have missed the topic in my searches.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DFTR
Do MINI owners do a de-carb with Seafoam like other carbon prone engines? I have not seen it mentioned. I'm new here though and may have missed the topic in my searches.
1st gen Minis are not carbon prone but the 2nd definitely. Still always a good practice to do though
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 06:36 PM
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Yes, I did a seafoam on the motor recently, I get a ton of smoke each time.

alconk maybe try hot shots stiction eliminator in the crank. If you have sticky rings it can lead to excessive oil loss. I suspected I had that on the ram (3~4 qts in 7k miles) and did the SE install, after the SE had time to work it dropped to a consistent 1~1.5 qts in the same time period. Started 50-60k miles back now (?) and no noticeable change in oil usage (still ~1.5 qt in 7k), motor has 449k on it. I am running it in my MINI but dont put a lot of miles on it so its hard for me to tell if there is any change in oil usage or not.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by steve05ram360
Yes, I did a seafoam on the motor recently, I get a ton of smoke each time.

alconk maybe try hot shots stiction eliminator in the crank. If you have sticky rings it can lead to excessive oil loss. I suspected I had that on the ram (3~4 qts in 7k miles) and did the SE install, after the SE had time to work it dropped to a consistent 1~1.5 qts in the same time period. Started 50-60k miles back now (?) and no noticeable change in oil usage (still ~1.5 qt in 7k), motor has 449k on it. I am running it in my MINI but dont put a lot of miles on it so its hard for me to tell if there is any change in oil usage or not.
Ok thanks I’ll look that up. I recently poured in “Restore” and did a motor flush on my last oil change.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:19 AM
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Ok thanks I’ll look that up. I recently poured in “Restore” and did a motor flush on my last oil change.
IMO, Restore types of products are going to thicken up the oil to slow down loss/mile. (have not researched it but that would be my assumption) Whereas if you used something like the HSS SE or Marvel Mystery oil or even Sea Foam in the crank it will clean up areas where oil is in contact and IF there are any sticky rings and the oil can get to it, it should free it up. If the ring is stuck slightly compressed then it could lead to oil loss.

It sucks to dump fresh oil so maybe wait ~3k miles and do another oil change with one of the above mentioned additives. I've used all 3 and have gravitated to the HSS SE over the other 2.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by steve05ram360
IMO, Restore types of products are going to thicken up the oil to slow down loss/mile. (have not researched it but that would be my assumption) Whereas if you used something like the HSS SE or Marvel Mystery oil or even Sea Foam in the crank it will clean up areas where oil is in contact and IF there are any sticky rings and the oil can get to it, it should free it up. If the ring is stuck slightly compressed then it could lead to oil loss.

It sucks to dump fresh oil so maybe wait ~3k miles and do another oil change with one of the above mentioned additives. I've used all 3 and have gravitated to the HSS SE over the other 2.
After looking it up I ordered a 16oz bottle after reading about the product. Hmm never heard of it so I’m very curious to see how it will work. Should I flush the engine again before I add new oil and the SE?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alconk
After looking it up I ordered a 16oz bottle after reading about the product. Hmm never heard of it so I’m very curious to see how it will work. Should I flush the engine again before I add new oil and the SE?
I would do a drain & fill & leave the filter since its new... with the other stuff you dropped in there, better to be on the safe side.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cooper48
At 167k miles, without any leaks it's definitely worn piston rings. Getting any black smoke or soot deposits from your exhaust tips?
In 1992, purchase off showroom floor - Montana Green GTi 16V.....it ate a qt every 1,500 miles when it had just 10 miles on the odometer....I was told " that is an acceptable amount by any factory standards"....lol.
 
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Do MINI owners do a de-carb with Seafoam like other carbon prone engines? I have not seen it mentioned. I'm new here though and may have missed the topic in my searches.
The W11 engine is not direct injection, so one can just dump Seafoam into full tank of fuel....
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Eurothrasher
The W11 engine is not direct injection, so one can just dump Seafoam into full tank of fuel....
does not work as well as thru the intake...



Project farm... respectable testing by independent reviewer of all kinds of automotive stuff.


engine restore test....




 

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Typically pour some in the gas, some in the oil then suck the rest through the brake booster line till it chokes, smokes and drowns to a stop. Let sit two beers then fire up and smoke out the neighbors. One good lap around the block and change oil, filters and plugs. Works great on old Fords. This is my first mini so still learning.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:03 PM
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I'm not a fan of additives, flushing oils etc, especially on a high-mileage engine.
I think your oil consumption is within MINI's 'standards', but I do suggest switching to a 5 or 10W40 oil.
MINIs do like their oil!
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:09 PM
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Ok thanks I’ll look that up. I recently poured in “Restore” and did a motor flush on my last oil change.
Researching the Restore some... leave it for the OCI and see how it does.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by steve05ram360
Researching the Restore some... leave it for the OCI and see how it does.
sorry but what is “OCI”
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MVPeters
I'm not a fan of additives, flushing oils etc, especially on a high-mileage engine.
I think your oil consumption is within MINI's 'standards', but I do suggest switching to a 5 or 10W40 oil.
MINIs do like their oil!
0W-40 would be more appropriate.
Going to 10W will increase engine wear....that is a "flow" number not anything to do with weight.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by alconk
sorry but what is “OCI”
Oil Change Interval... OCI
 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Eurothrasher
0W-40 would be more appropriate.
Going to 10W will increase engine wear....that is a "flow" number not anything to do with weight.
Do you have a link to a study on engine wear and oil weight? If so can you share it?
 
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Originally Posted by steve05ram360
does not work as well as thru the intake...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agAWXnT4-EQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prXiQgVVnDY

Project farm... respectable testing by independent reviewer of all kinds of automotive stuff.


engine restore test....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8jIwVyIFE
Never had the need to introduce it into the engine in that manner.

244K miles on mine, still runs like the day I bought it but even better with JCW upgrades.

 
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Eurothrasher
0W-40 would be more appropriate.
Going to 10W will increase engine wear....that is a "flow" number not anything to do with weight.
0w40 Mobile 1 or Liqu Moly is what I use.
 
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