I have read a lot of different figures for the MCS... 7.4sec, 7.2sec and 6.9sec!

Any accurate figure??? I mean something to compare with when testing the car.

 

I have read that it is 7.2 seconds for 0-62mph as that, as I am sure you are aware is equivilent to 0-100 kph. This probably makes the 0-60 mph time around 7.0 seconds but I am no expert.

 

From what I've read and experienced myself, depending on the driver, this car is capable of anywhere between 6.8 to 7.2 seconds 0-60 and about a 15.2 to 16 quarter mile (usually around 90ish mph).

R

 

You have to take 0-60 times with a grain of salt. Consider the following variables:
Driver skill and techniques - ability to control wheel spin, how high was the engine was revved before launch, was the clutch sidestepped or slipped, was the shift to second done by lifting the throttle between gears or "power shifting", did the driver shift precisely at red-line but before fuel cut-off.
Ambient conditions such as altitude, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure.
Tarmac conditions - some surfaces are stickier than others.
Variations within vehicle models and age of engine - typically a car with a few thousand miles on it will be faster than one with 3 or 4 miles on it.

So the short answer to your question is that a stock MCS sprints to 60 somewhere between 6.7 to 7.5 seconds!

What's really important is how the car "feels" when you ask it to accelerate (or turn, or brake).

 

>>You have to take 0-60 times with a grain of salt. Consider the following variables:
>>Driver skill and techniques - ability to control wheel spin, how high was the engine was revved before launch, was the clutch sidestepped or slipped, was the shift to second done by lifting the throttle between gears or "power shifting", did the driver shift precisely at red-line but before fuel cut-off.
>>Ambient conditions such as altitude, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure.
>>Tarmac conditions - some surfaces are stickier than others.
>>Variations within vehicle models and age of engine - typically a car with a few thousand miles on it will be faster than one with 3 or 4 miles on it.

Does the Cooper S engine 'cut-out?' I know several times I've shifted above redline w/o noticing 'cut out.' ( sometimes as high as 7gs)

 

I am still very curious to learn the real world aspects of this car's ECU software. Looks like I am going to have to find out for myself.

I still do not know if heel-toe shifting is possible with DSC and ASC turned off. I do know that current VW's and Audi drive-by-wire cars cannot handle input from the brake and throttle at the same time without cutting throttle response.

 

Hmm.. interesting... I'm not sure that it means that you can't heel-toe, though. When you hit the brake in a recent (drive-by-wire, i.e. '99 and later) Audi, it electronically cuts the throttle. However, you can still heel-toe. I guess you can override it or something, because if I have my foot on the brake, I can still rev the engine. I DO know for a fact that in the most recent Audi S4, I can hold the brake while revving the engine.

I think it's more that if you ACTIVATE the brake (as opposed to already having it activated), it cuts the throttle. That won't hurt heel-toeing, because the opposite (activating the throttle while you're already braking) is still possible.

Or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding you... if so, let's try again!

I don't have a MINI to go out and try this with (*sob*). Maybe I can wrest the S4 away from my boyfriend (hah!) and experiment with it a bit.

'no, honey, I won't be long. I'm just going out to try braking and gassing at the same time....'

 

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>>Any accurate figure???
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According to MINI literature it was 6.9 seconds as stated in their Product Breif (updated version) given to dealers in March 02. This was however an uncertified result at the time.
And like Astro said, there are many contributing factors when it comes to judging 0-60 times, and results may change depending on those variables.

 

"Does the Cooper S engine 'cut-out?' I know several times I've shifted above redline w/o noticing 'cut out.' ( sometimes as high as 7gs)"
I am not positive the Cooper S has a fuel cut-out, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. Two things may be going on. 1) typically the fuel cut is higher than the "red-line" on the tach. I know in my Subaru it cuts out when the tach reads ~7,400, even though the stated red-line is 7K. The other thing is the accuracy of the tach. They are often inaccurate.

 

>>"Does the Cooper S engine 'cut-out?' I know several times I've shifted above redline w/o noticing 'cut out.' ( sometimes as high as 7gs)"
>>I am not positive the Cooper S has a fuel cut-out, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. Two things may be going on. 1) typically the fuel cut is higher than the "red-line" on the tach. I know in my Subaru it cuts out when the tach reads ~7,400, even though the stated red-line is 7K. The other thing is the accuracy of the tach. They are often inaccurate.

Not that i've done it personally, but all i've read and heard, it just retards the engine w/o resorting to something as brute force as a cut-off, or (egads) a total shutdown..

Rocketboy_X

 

YES it does have a rev limiter. I've hit it several times. And YES you can heel/toe. I do it all the time, especially while stopped on an incline. I'll keep my left foot available for the clutch and my right foot heel on the brake. Then the toe of my right foot presses the accelerator pedal and revs up while heel still on brake. Left foot on clutch, right heel off brake and away I go. Will also work when powering thru corners.

R

 

How many RPMs when you hit the limiter??

 

I might be able to shed some light on a couple of topics discussed on this thread. I just got back from Mission Mini in Barcelona and cornered one of Mini auto engineer/designers for some tech talk (other cars behave the same way).

Heel & Toe-ing with traction/stability control on = absolutely possible. H & T-ed on a race track outside Barcelona (and on the streets) with it on and off. Traction control does not interfere with gassing and braking at the same time. It detects wheel slippage and does magic w/ braking system, etc. to keep you on the road.

Rev Limiter - rev limiter cuts ignition somewhere in the red zone. Probably 500 rpm or so in. Try pressing the gas pedal gradually until you hit the red zone and slowly keep going until you hear the ignition start to cut out. That's where the rev limiter starts.

Hope this helps. PS - I got out of the engineer that they will not stay still with the model lineup. I.e., new things will be introduced every year. We used a pre-production GPS/navigation system that was running on a Compaq iPaq PDA. Same idea as existing but in a PDA format mounted on the dash. This allows the speedo to stay in front center of the dashboard. I know for sure that the convertible is coming but I tried to get the story on a R-version (more power). I can see Mini getting involved in World Rally Champs to keep up with the Mini rally comp tradition. That would be sweet!