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Old Mar 16, 2013 | 08:26 PM
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Aftermarket HID issues, anyone else have this problem?

I hope I'm posting in the correct place, ok so I bought my mini a few months ago and love it!! But the one I got had halogens and I really wanted HID's so I bought some 6K's the other day and installed them. They worked great at first but I soon found if I turned them on while the car was started they would 1 not come on, 2 one or the other would come on, 3 would both come on with no issues. Iv heard if you have issues you will need to run the relay harness with them as it needs the correct voltage, I picked up the relay harness today and installed it. Now they will come on every time but start the flickering thing the harness is supposed to take away. I noticed the relay starts buzzing after a minute of being on and that's when the lights start to flicker. I tested the voltage it's 13.7-13.8 going to them, iv moved the ground and it did not fix the issue. Iv read of people running them so what's up with mine? I do not have day time running lights or auto lights im thinking I have the base S model. The car is a 06 r53. Thank for the help guys!!!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 04:30 AM
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Where did you get the HiDS from? eBay?
Could it be the quality of the HIDs?

There actually aren't a lot of guys using drop in hid..the light usage is not the best. It gets scattered all over. Yes it's brighter but it's not at all focused.

i just finished my retrofit (with Mini h1 projectors and morimoto Hid ballasts and bulbs). Will take pics when I actually put them on the car.

Fairly involved job...but not too hard.

Go to www.theretrofitsource.com

Sounds like you need a CANBUS adapter...don't ask what that stands for.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 07:02 AM
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Thanks for the reply, when the lights are on the beam is to me near perfect! I love them when they work, iv heard of the canbus before don't know what it is or stands for lol. I'd love to see your headlights when your done and they are on!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 08:16 AM
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Can you Show us a picture of your beam pattern and cutoff?
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 08:34 AM
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Ill have to get pictures tonight, I got the lights from a local shop. I picked up the slim AC ballast not crapy DC. I'm hoping I can get this figured out so I can keep them!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 08:51 PM
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Ok I got the issue fixed by buying the harness with inline compositors. This was a little more involved than I had anticipated!!! But it's done and the end results to me are rewarding!! I tried uploading pictures but it said something about the running software is old or something like that so ill have to wait on the pictures, sorry!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 08:54 PM
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Ok hope this works!!
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 10:19 AM
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maybe it's ur camera but those are really blue for 6000K
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 10:36 AM
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Yes I agree, they are more blue than I wanted but they were in a 6K box but who knows if they got packaged wrong?
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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I'd be willing to bet that's the case.. I'm runnin 6000k in one of other cars and they look OEM in comparison to those..

So what parts did you end up using to correct the issue?
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 11:51 AM
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So. Much. Glare. :(
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by uromini
I'd be willing to bet that's the case.. I'm runnin 6000k in one of other cars and they look OEM in comparison to those..

So what parts did you end up using to correct the issue?
If you are running aftermarket in your car, don't know if you just did plug and play or if you had to install a relay harness. They have two harnesses one is just a relay and the other is a relay with two resistors, I tried the normal harness but that just made my light flicker so I had to change to the relay harness with the resistors to stop the voltage fluctuation and flickering ( the guy said something is trying to control the lights).
 
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Day177017
So. Much. Glare. :(
Yeah as others have noted you are throwing a lot of glare. 6000k looks a lot bluer on camera than it really is. Beam pattern isn't bad from a few feet...pull back about 25 feet and I bet you light up the top of the house....but maybe I am wrong.


I know you wont believe me but the first rainy night you will understand why drop ins arent recommended. I installed my retrofits today but it's snowing like crazy so I have no pics. Still need to adjust them too..

Maybe tomorrow I'll throw up a pic if it's not disgusting out
 

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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 05:49 PM
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I understand what you guys are saying but I like the look and the out put of them better than the halogens. The out put on the way to work was good enough for me it rains a lot here and I know first hand how these are in the rain, my dodge rams head lights suck as it is but I put a cheap set of HID's and what a difference and they are no where near as good as these at all!! So I'm sure it will be fine. I know these wont last for ever and when they do go out I will replace with some OEM or may try your retro fit install.... Depending on how much and how time consuming it is. Did you use halogen light housings by chance? I know your going to post picture but I'm just trying to get an idea of what your are going and what it looks like!
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 09:04 AM
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Not sure if those images loaded or not...I'll try again later

Notice the nice cutoff line...I have not adjusted for left to right...and they could be moved up a little.

Used tyc halogen headlights from amazon. Mini h1 projectors from amazon. Morimoto ballasts and bulbs 4300k from the retrofit source.

Search my name and you will see in progress images of the headlamps
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 09:06 AM
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Wow!! Those do look good! You must have had the same issue loading the pictures I did! So how hard was the fit? Where did you get the kit from?
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 02:15 PM
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I run into people over at a popular motorcycle forum that I frequent and so often they buy cheap "upgrade" kits and end up having problems with them And they also don't wire up a new harness to supply the lights directly. (Stock wiring isn't designed to run those.)

Then there's the issue that the lamp housings/reflectors, lenses aren't designed for the different shape of an HID arc (compared to the glowing filament of a halogen bulb). The result is too much light scatter and the appearance that you can see better when in reality, you're not only blinding oncoming drivers (you really don't want that) and you're putting light too close to the front of your car when it should be directed further out. The result is that your pupils close up more and that makes it harder to see hazards just outside the range of the bright part of your light.

Those are just some of the reasons that every single kit to "upgrade" a halogen light to HID is illegal to run on public roads. Not only in the US, but in most countries of the world.

Do it right and get the factory setup.

And don't be caught up in the race for bluer light. The more blue it is, the more trouble you have seeing at night. And, of course, the worst offenders are the blue tinted halogen bulbs. The tint dramatically reduces the real output of the bulb. It's a fashion statement only.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NWcooperS
Wow!! Those do look good! You must have had the same issue loading the pictures I did! So how hard was the fit? Where did you get the kit from?
Just go to the retrofit source.com you want either mini h1s or the new matchbox projectors..with the matchbox you probably wouldn't have to cut anything. With the H1s I had to trim a lot. Also to note I have bi-xenons. They are wired into my highs..when that engages a solenoid is energized thar brings a "shield" up and raises the beam..I spliced the wires directly in and used heat shrink..some people just used spade clips to tap into factory.

Also..mine are just plug and play..since all the wiring was done in the apartment..I just removed the old plugged in the new and voila.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 03:41 AM
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Also, for anyone who wants the benefit of hid visibility, doesn't want to do an entire housing conversion, but doesn't like the idea of hid's in a non-projector housing, there is this option:

Originally Posted by JP Money
To bump this, I just bought these. I'll post pics when I get these installed with the HID kit from ddm. I went with 5k bulbs and ordered new d2s bulbs in the same color to match.
From this thread:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...og-lights.html
 
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BlwnAway
Also, for anyone who wants the benefit of hid visibility, doesn't want to do an entire housing conversion, but doesn't like the idea of hid's in a non-projector housing, there is this option:



From this thread:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...og-lights.html

Hey BlwnAway -- cool post -- I think I read this a while back. There is something about having the projector in there that gives a "facelift mini" feel though which I like (aesthetically).

For me the face lifted minis always looked more aggressive somehow...I'll be taking off my stripes this weekend to see how it all ties together.

Also -- some people might be interested in costs I had to throw down.

TYC headlights: $140 both sides
HID H1 Projectsr: $90 for both
Morimoto Bulbs and Ballasts: $170

Total cost $400

Now -- could you get away with some ebay $55 dollar bulbs and ballast -- I think I could have -- but the morimoto ones are built extremely well.

So...if you wanted t do this for less than $300 -- its possible...actually less if you are fine with having your car off the road for one day because you don't have to buy new headlights.

If anyone is interested in me building them a set contact me..willing to send you a set minus the bulbs and ballasts for $225 plus shipping.

I would just use my old housings...
 
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 11:44 AM
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Updated picture from today..

So the mini H1 is a smaller projector but given the way our headlights are designed you really don't have a lot of room behind the lens to get things in there. I was having problems with the lights not being able to adjust any higher and I was getting good light but not that far ahead of me. I took the lights apart again and figured out that by trimming back the shrouds and pushing them back on the projector themselves i could gain some adjustibiliy.

The result : more usable light at the right distance in front of me with now a cool black ring showing that makes it look more stock.

Updated pics for clicks
 
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Old May 5, 2013 | 06:02 PM
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Solution xenon aftermarket

Hi, I got the same problem.
After many hours looking to all that codes I follow AL (that means Low Beam) and I notice a different code to between AL and BL (Hight Beam)...
you have to change PWM_ANSTEUERUNG_AL wert_03 to wert_01 (BC1 Module)
You don't need to activate Xenon lights...
Enjoy your HID xenon projector
 
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