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Old May 27, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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I wave whenever possible Even find myself waving when Iam not driving the Mini
Since I am a "real" Jeep owner, I wave at them too (1943 ford gpw)
 
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Old May 29, 2008 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RumbleBee
When I was living up in the bay area (Marin) there were TONS of minis around but no one ever waved. Now that I'm 2 hours south, there are considerably less minis, but more frequent waves back.

I always try to wave, even if I'm riding with someone else in their non-mini.
California has a lot of road rage, I guess not waving is the MINI version of road rage.
 
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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:26 AM
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i wave when i can, and i try to do so very clearly. i'll even wave multiple times and follow another mini. just kind of concerned if it makes me look like a creep
 
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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I just got my mini a few weeks ago but last night on the way home from work, I saw another MCS slowly gaining on me and after a few minutes in stop and go traffic, it pulled up along side me, honked and waived. Turns out she was awful cute too and it just made my day. I decided right there that I I loved my MINI, not that I didn't before - but I'll definitely make more of an effort from now on...
 
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Old May 29, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tim781996
Yes, you are obligated. It's in the unauthorized owners manual (page 27): http://www.motoringfile.com/files/unauth_manual.pdf

hah that is awesome!!!


and, both people should start the wave or neither may wave!
 
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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it seems to me around my area that only the 's' models wave and the non 's' models don't know what's going on. so the 's' models around portland know what's going on! woop.
 
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Old May 30, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Not a wave but I'd like to thank the young lady in the dark gray/black s that paid for my coffee at the DD drive-thru.

Much obliged and much karma joenzy
 
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Old May 31, 2008 | 06:25 PM
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This was passed along to me through trails of the internet:
The bike's passenger seat swept up just enough that I could see over my father's shoulders. That seat was my throne. My dad and I travelled many backroads together...searching for the ones we had never found before. Travelling these roads just to see where they went. Never in a rush, just be home by supper.

I remember wandering down a backroad with my father, sitting on my throne watching the trees whiz by, feeling the rumble of our bike beneath us like a giant contented cat. A motorcycle came over a hill towards us and as it went by, my father threw up his clutch hand and gave a little wave. The other bike waved back with the same friendly swing of his left wrist.

I tapped my dad on the shoulder, which was our signal that I wanted to say something. He cocked his head back slightly while keeping his eyes ahead...

I yelled, "Did you know him?"

"What?"

"You waved at him...who was that?"

"I don't know. Just another guy on a bike....so I waved."

"How come?"

"You just do...it's important."

Later, when we had stopped for ice cream, I asked him why it was so important to wave to other bikers. My dad tried to explain how the wave demonstrated comradeship and a mutual understanding of what it was to enjoy riding a motorcycle. He looked for the words to describe how almost all bikers struggled with the same things like cold, rain, heat, wind, and drivers who didn't see them, but how riding remained an almost pure pleasure.

I was young then and I am not sure that I really understood what he was trying to get across, but it was a beginning of something. Afterwards, I always waved along with my dad whenever we passed other bikes.

I remember one cold October morning when the clouds were heavy and dark, giving us another clue that winter was heading in from just over the horizon. My dad and I were warm inside our car as we headed to a friends house. Rounding a corner, we saw a motorcycle parked on the shoulder of the road. Past the bike, we saw the rider walking thru the ditch, scouring along thru the tall grass, crowned with a touch of frost. Dad pulled over and backed up to where the bike stood.

I asked Dad..."Who's that?"

"Don't know" he replied..."but he seems to have lost something. Maybe we can give him a hand."

We left the car and wandered thru the tall grass ditch to the biker. He said that he had been pulling on his gloves as he rode, and that he had lost one. The three of us spent some time combing the ditch, but all we found were empty cans and bottles.

My dad then turned and headed back to the car and opened the trunk. He rummaged thru various tools, oil containers, and this and that until he found an old pair of crumpled up leather gloves. He continued looking until he found an old catalogue. I understood what he was doing with the gloves....but I had no idea what he needed with the catalogue.

"Here's some gloves for you" my dad said as he handed them to the rider..."and I brought you a catalogue as well."

"Thanks"..I really appreciate it." He reached into his hip pocket and pulled out an old chain wallet.

"Lemme give you some money for the gloves" he said.

"No thanx" dad replied as he handed them to the rider. "They're not worth anything and they're old anyway".

The biker smiled. "Thanx alot."

He pulled the old gloves on and unzipped his jacket. I watched as my dad handed him the catalogue and the biker slipped it inside his coat. He jostled it around, positioning it up high, centered, and then zipped it up. I remembered now making sense of why my dad had given him the catalogue. It would keep him a bit warmer. After wishing the biker well, my dad and I left him warming up his bike.

Two weeks later, the biker came to our home and returned my father's gloves. He had found the address on the catalogue. Neither my father nor the biker seemed to think that my dad stopping at the side of the road for a stranger and giving him a pair of gloves, and that the stranger making sure that the gloves were returned, were events out of the ordinary for people who rode motorcycles. For me, it was another subtle lesson.

It was spring of the next year when I was sitting high on my throne, watching the farm fields slip by when I saw two bikes coming towards us. As they rumbled past, my dad and I waved, but the other bikers kept their sunglasses locked straight ahead and did not acknowledge us. I remember thinking that they must have seen us because our waves were too obvious to miss. Why didn't they wave back? I thought all bikers waved at one another.....

I tapped my dad on the shoulder and yelled..."How come they didn't wave back?"

"Don't know. Sometimes they don't."

I remember feeling very puzzled. Why wouldn't someone wave back?

The next summer, I was finally old enough to learn to ride a motorcycle with a clutch. Many an afternoon were spent on a country lane beside our home, kicking and kicking to start my dad's old 1955 BSA. When it would finally come to a sputtering start, my concentration would grow to a sharp focus, as I tried to let out the clutch slowly enough, and bring us to a smooth take off. More often than not, I would lurch forward.....and begin to attempt to kickstart the motor again.

Eventually, I got my own motorcycle license, and began wandering the backroads on my own. I found myself stopping along sideroads if I saw another biker alone, just to check and see if he needed help.......and I continued to wave at other riders.

But I remained focused as to why some riders never waved back. It left me with almost a feeling of rejection, as if I were reaching to shake someones hand, but they kept their arm hanging by their side.

I began to canvass my friends about waving. I talked with people at biker events, asking what they thought. Most of the old riders told me they waved to other bikers and often initiated the friendly air handshake as they passed one another.

I did meet some riders tho, who told me that they did not wave to other riders because they felt that they were different from other bikers. They felt that they were a "breed apart". One guy told me in rather colorful language, that he did not "wave to no wussies". He went on to say that his kind of bikers were tough, independent, and they did not require or want the help of anyone, whether they rode a bike or not.

I suspected that there were some people who bought a bike because they wanted to purchase an image of being tougher, more independent, a not-putting-up-with-anyone's-crap kind of person, but I didn't think that this was typical of most riders.

People buy bikes for different reasons. Some will be quick to tell you what make it is, how much they paid for it, or how fast it will go. Brand loyalty is going to be strong for some people whether they have a Harley, Ford, Sony, or whatever... Some people want to buy an image and try to purchase another person's perception of them. But it can't be done.

Still, there is a group of people who ride bikes who truly are a breed apart. They appreciate both the engineering and the artistry in the machines they ride. Their bikes become part of who they are and how they define themselves to themselves alone.
They don't care what other people think. They don't care if anyone knows how much they paid for their bike or how fast it goes. The bike means something to them that nothing else does. They ride for themselves and not for anyone else. They don't care whether anyone knows they have a bike. They may not be able to find words to describe what it means to ride, but they still know. They may not be able to describe what it means to feel the smooth acceleration and the strength beneath them. But they understand.

These are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and look back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves.

These are the riders who understand why they wave to other motorcyclists. They savour the wave. It symbolizes connection between riders, and if they saw you and your bike on the side of the road, they would stop to help and might not ask your name. They understand what you are up against every time you take your bike on the road.....the drivers that don't see you, the ones that cut you off or tailgate you, the potholes that lie in waiting. The rain. The cold.

I have been shivering and sweating on a bike for more than 40 years. Most of the riders that pass give me a supportive wave. I love it when I see a younger rider on a "crotch rocket" scream past me and wave. New riders carrying on the traditions.

I will continue in my attempts to get every biker just a little closer to one another with a simple wave. And if they do not wave back when I extend my hand into the breeze as I pass them, I will smile a little more. Maybe their just mistaken about who is a "breed apart."
Very much fits the way the community was when I first happened upon. MINI
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 02:33 AM
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Wow! What a great story, it brought a tear to my eyes.
It's exactly what I have come to experience in the motorcycle, Jeep and MINI community (all of which I have owned).
I was told once by another Jeeper that he doesn't wave first if he feels his Jeep is superior to the other Jeep being encountered, what a moron.
Yesterday I was on the side of the road with my MINI Cooper S Cabrio and took a picture of a passing MINI Cooper S Cabrio (no wave )



I have always waved at other MINI's sometimes even when I'm not in a MINI (because I forget that I'm not in one)
then I get a strange look from the MINI driver.
I realize there are many new MINI drivers that don't feel the same about their MINI's as my family does and its a shame
because the amount of MINI's on the road is growing a such a fast pace that it is quickly becoming just another car and
thanks to the Smart car it is no longer the smallest.
I see people reacting to Smart cars as they did to MINI's just a few years back.
 

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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 05:29 AM
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I'll wave when I get my mini. I do recall driving with my grandfather he would often wave or blink other motorist. I asked him why and he said it was just a polite greeting to a fellow motorist. So wave or blink but if I don't react fast enough my apologies in advance.

Keep waving!
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sikamini
I'll wave when I get my mini. I do recall driving with my grandfather he would often wave or blink other motorist. I asked him why and he said it was just a polite greeting to a fellow motorist. So wave or blink but if I don't react fast enough my apologies in advance.

Keep waving!
i love how he worded it! a polite greeting to a fellow motorist!
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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As I was growing up, we traveled a lot -- I was a Marine Corps brat. When we lived in Barstow, CA, we did a lot of driving cross-country to go home to see family on the east coast. I (being the older of two kids) was always "the navigator", and I always remember my mom signalling the big truck drivers with lights when it was safe to move in front of us -- and they always blinked back a "thanks." Truck drivers used to also be the only ones to stop and help those stranded on the side of the road....

Nowadays, though...Maybe it's just the way our society is, but I think it's deplorable.

I am highly gratified that I get friendly nods and/or waves from motorcycles as much, if not MORE, than I do from Minis. I love bikes anyway, so I'll do some initiating, but just as often, they start it. At least SOMEONE out there understands!

We need to save the wave, and make our little corners of the world a little better.
 

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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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for some reason now i want to get stickers on my mini saying "waves at other minis" but then again... it might come off as strange or arrogant at other motorists
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Only MINIs that haven't waved back are those I don't think saw me. Sad to say, but apparently when headed to work, the fun of driving a MINI can be lost.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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I try to wave every chance I get, though when my wife is with me she thinks I'm nuts. But then she's not into my MINI like I am.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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I've only had my MCS about a week and I've been waved at just about every time another is in the line of sight to me. Either coming up on a side or across an intersection. Makes me feel rather jiggy.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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Now that it's summer, there's one more reason to turn off the AC and roll the windows down: it's easier to wave!
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by donutsdc
for some reason now i want to get stickers on my mini saying "waves at other minis" but then again... it might come off as strange or arrogant at other motorists
That's not a bad idea! It's not like it's a decal DEMANDING others wave...it's a warning to others that you wave at MINIS. Go for it.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by x uh oh x
That's not a bad idea! It's not like it's a decal DEMANDING others wave...it's a warning to others that you wave at MINIS. Go for it.
I think I might look into having these decals made up for our club. I think we should get a national MINI waving campaign started!
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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It's kind of funny, when I drive the classic around town I get as many waves from motorcycles and other older cars as I do from other MINI drivers. (Also a big hit with Porsche's for some reason.) I do think it is a camaraderie thing. I almost always exchange waves whenever I pass an MGB or other old British moniker as I do think they we have a bit of a shared experience that enjoyment of an old British car comes with (Lucas electronics not the least of it.)
In some ways, the fact that the new MINI is such a good car takes away from the community aspect in some ways. You could drive a MINI as you would any other car and never feel any more particular sense of community than if you were driving a... civic for instance. And now that small, fuel efficient, fun cars are "the new black (so to speak,)" I think that is just what a number of owner's do. Kind of too bad but then again, we can just approach as more people that we have to fully bring over to the dark side
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lawmann
I think I might look into having these decals made up for our club. I think we should get a national MINI waving campaign started!
then we should get a decal look that we can all agree on and just start mass producing it. that way, national waving campaign will happen for sure!
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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I wave at other MINIs.
But they usually don't wave back.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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I'm in with the campaign. I know there's a talented NAMer that can design a nice logo in keeping with the MINI. Let me know how I can aid the cause.

BTW, I got waived at by a (and I love this term I just read yesterday on NAM) "Toyota Appliance" while going to work today.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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well I followed this blue mini for about 20 minutes on the 405 today and
he didn't even give me a look as I was passing. I waved waved and waved but he just talked on his cellphone and ignored me the whole way.
I don't think i'm going to wave anymore.. at least in so-cal...
 
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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I waved at 8 MINIs in the Fullerton area today--a mix of R56's and 1st Gen MC and MCS's, and not a single response.

Originally Posted by hoonpv
well I followed this blue mini for about 20 minutes on the 405 today and
he didn't even give me a look as I was passing. I waved waved and waved but he just talked on his cellphone and ignored me the whole way.
I don't think i'm going to wave anymore.. at least in so-cal...
 
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