Onasled, you redefine the phrase "mean spirited." Not cool.

I would hope that this kind of post violates NAM guidelines. Moderator?

 

Hhahahah wow....you're really trying to make fun of him all over the internet huh? You must have a whole lot shortcomings that you're trying to make up for by putting others down. Quit taking so much glory in kicking someone while they're down...

 

I'm surprised someone with an attitude like his is allowed to be the racing discussion coordinator.

 

Jeez, i didnt read that as him kicking someone when they're down, you guys are harsh. relax.

Jerry, Hope you're ok and well. There can always be another Sad Arthur. I'm sure you did what you could, you have good driving skillz....
Cheers,
Skottoman

 

You probably haven't seen all of the other things he's been saying about the situation.....

 

Wow, M7 camp is really showing their colors lately.

Jerry, hope you're OK. Time to start a new project and get back in the saddle.

 

yup

 

This is why I rarely visit NAM... People randomly arguing about comments or peoples opinions nonstop. Yay. Fun. Woohoo.

Rock on Jerry. Time for an 07.

Cheers,
Skottoman

 

Looks like Jerry had quite the rep..................not good for MINI-dom

 

Oh of course...there you are.
I'm surprised it took you this long to add your 2 cents.

 

Who me?

 

I always will feel empathy for someone who loses something of value. However, I think that there is a HUGELY important lesson here. I've spent the best part of this morning reading threads and trying to make sure my initial impression was correct, and I really think it is.

HDPE's, driving schools, even time trials are not 'racing' events. The individual who finally did crash and roll his car had already developed a reputation amongst the people he was driving with, and not a good one.

having an 'off' is one thing when you are pushing a car to its limits. But at all times, there should be a fundamental respect for the people who are on the track with you, and even in the pits before and after sessions. It seems he lacks this respect in multiple ways.

This event, and the general attitude and posts leading up to it, sad as it is, is pretty much a perfect case study of how NOT to conduct yourself at a driver's school or HPDE. This was not a novice driver making a mistake, it was an INSTRUCTOR, with a history of making bad decisions, making another bad decision. This one ultimately costing him his vehicle. Everyone should use this as a lesson in behavior at the track. The worst part is, people saw it coming.

Sid, I hope you get another MINI, and I hope you enjoy it at the track. But I also hope you have learned something with this unfortuneate turn of events.

 

BSUCardinalfan's post sums up the way a bunch of us feel very well.

 

NASA TT are competative events, not HPDE's. The guys who race in TT are racers, with race cars and acept this risk every time they pull out of the paddock. Theres no reason to pretend this was something other than race scenario in race conditions.

That being said, this thread was focused on HPDE's early, and while I may have urged people on here, there is no room for red mist in HPDE's. If you want to race, save it for a NASA or SCCA event...

Sears is no place to have a wreck. 7 is a lucky spot for some run off. I don't see final confirmation, but it seems nobody was hurt, which is good. Jerrys car was prepped for safety and it looks like it did its job. If your must teach a leasons learned, let it be rollcages are good, invest in them if you plan on driving in competition.

I'm not sure what went down, I was not there and have not even heard the details. All I see is people claiming a dive bomb in forum posts and a bunch of people looking for a chance to get in the last word to say "I told you so", which I think is a bunch of crap. Love Jerry or hate him, questionable methods or not, hate his ego or love it.... he was out there and he was fast (maybe too fast, hard to say). He was supporting MINI's and trying to put a brand we all love in the racing motorosports spotlight..which is IMO admiarable considering SCCA and NASA have turned our cars non-competative.

So, the haters can go polish their camber plates, tighten the clamps on their CAI's and straighten out their plug wires (dont forget to add it your new eBay purchase to the NAM signature).


Luckily, forum replies dont end, and I cant see why we would stop this now...

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Now that's funny !

:impatient

 

 

Agreed. Very well put .

 

Agree, the pace in NASA TT is day and night compare to HPDE 4..

 

I can't say it better then this... so im going to quote it.

 

Wow, just wow.

there have been times here on NAM when I have been berated for something I posted or said or did. This, my man, this inexcusable. You need to step back, and look in the mirror...hang on what the fark am I doing. Why would you take behavioral advice from someone on an internet forum? Most likely you won't.

So, let's just leave this at, Onasled you suck for what you said. NAM, you suck for having your "Track Coordinator" be such a cork-gobbler.

 

If you will notice Onasled is no longer a coordinator on the site. Because I spent several hours reading through the multitude of his postings around the net. His thoughts on Siddhartha and this particular incident it struck me as stalking. This isn't what I expect from coordinators on the site so he has been removed from his coordinator role in the Road Racing Discussion forum.

As to your reported post on the matter...removing him from the coordinator was the first step. If this kind of behavior continues I fully expect that the community in general will call him out...just as you were with the post you made some time ago. Each type of issue on the site has to be looked at in the context of that particular situation. Equating this to other issues we've seen on the site isn't a one to one mapping. Ultimately you are responsible for what you post. If the community finds problems with it they can choose to call you out in the forum or choose to escalate it to the moderation team by reporting it. Otherwise, unless we happen to stumble over it in our personal browsing, we expect that discussions will self moderate on their own.

Mark

 

The following are two quotes from the NASA TT rules, in the 'On Course Conduct' section.

"NASA TT drivers are held to a high standard in regard to track etiquette, driver cooperation, and sportsmanship."

"Any driver displaying unsportsmanlike conduct either on or off the track, driving in an over-aggressive manner, or failing to cooperate with other drivers on the track will be subject to harsh penalties, which may include expulsion from further TT competition."

Yes, NASA TT is an open passing event. However, it is still a level below full on racing.

In addition, on the NASA TT site: "the rules, safety guidelines, and driving requirements of the HPDE-4 program apply to NASA TT"

I maintain that Sid did display a level of aggression that was not appropriate for the particular events he was participating in, and that seems to be backed up by posts from people he was participating with.

Having said all of that, I take no joy in his accident, I only want other people who are in the ever growing group of us who love driving our car close to its limits in a closed environment to understand what is, and is not, acceptable behavior at those events.

 

Without looking stupid, what does "NASA TT and HPDE-4" stand for?

 

NASA is an organization. National Auto Sport Association.
TT is time trial.
HPDE-4 is high performance driving event, level 4.

NASA gradually moves participants up the ladder in levels, with each level allowing a bit more freedom on the track.

The BMWCCA does something very similar.

 

Thanks