Navigation & Audio OEM Nav Retrofit (R56)
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OEM Nav Retrofit (R56)
I know this has been discussed many times before. Instead of asking, I decided to be a guinea pick and just go for it.
I've ordered the OEM cluster/LCD and the DVD/nav box and plan to cross my fingers and hope that everything will be more or less plug & play. From what I can gather, the only other part I need is the center console (around the e-brake and shifter) that has the additional nav controls.
I'm searching for this on car-part.com but can't for the life of me think of what to call it when filling out the search form. Does anyone have any pointers?
Here's a visual for what I'm looking for:
I've ordered the OEM cluster/LCD and the DVD/nav box and plan to cross my fingers and hope that everything will be more or less plug & play. From what I can gather, the only other part I need is the center console (around the e-brake and shifter) that has the additional nav controls.
I'm searching for this on car-part.com but can't for the life of me think of what to call it when filling out the search form. Does anyone have any pointers?
Here's a visual for what I'm looking for:
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65823449102 = Controller Unit (red)
07147135132 = Mounting screws x 4
61129114920 = monitor harness
there's another wiring harness, and a few grounding straps, i think it was year specific.
51162756157 or 51162756156 = handbrake console (pro) (blue)
there's two, don't know what the difference is, they're both for navigation consoles.
07147135132 = Mounting screws x 4
61129114920 = monitor harness
there's another wiring harness, and a few grounding straps, i think it was year specific.
51162756157 or 51162756156 = handbrake console (pro) (blue)
there's two, don't know what the difference is, they're both for navigation consoles.
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The console itself is part# 51162756157
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...88&hg=51&fg=35
But that's only the plastic console piece, without the switches, which is here (you'll probably need almost everything else listed in all 3 of these categories as well):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...31&hg=65&fg=45
You'll need some of these harnesses:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...77&hg=61&fg=05
and some of these cables:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...82&hg=61&fg=10
I think it is fair to assume that it isn't plug and play, and even after installing everything, none of it will work until the dealer has programmed the car.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...88&hg=51&fg=35
But that's only the plastic console piece, without the switches, which is here (you'll probably need almost everything else listed in all 3 of these categories as well):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...31&hg=65&fg=45
You'll need some of these harnesses:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...77&hg=61&fg=05
and some of these cables:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...82&hg=61&fg=10
I think it is fair to assume that it isn't plug and play, and even after installing everything, none of it will work until the dealer has programmed the car.
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Thanks for the help guys - sounds like it's going to be a project, but I love this sort of thing so it should make for a good couple of weekends.
I'm actually planning to pick up that OBD cable/software that can program all of the mini's modules, but was hoping to do that another time. How likely is it I'll be able to talk a dealer shop into activating the nav once I have everything already installed and ready? The car has a salvage title, so I don't have to worry about voiding the warranty...
I'm actually planning to pick up that OBD cable/software that can program all of the mini's modules, but was hoping to do that another time. How likely is it I'll be able to talk a dealer shop into activating the nav once I have everything already installed and ready? The car has a salvage title, so I don't have to worry about voiding the warranty...
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Thanks for the help guys - sounds like it's going to be a project, but I love this sort of thing so it should make for a good couple of weekends.
I'm actually planning to pick up that OBD cable/software that can program all of the mini's modules, but was hoping to do that another time. How likely is it I'll be able to talk a dealer shop into activating the nav once I have everything already installed and ready? The car has a salvage title, so I don't have to worry about voiding the warranty...
I'm actually planning to pick up that OBD cable/software that can program all of the mini's modules, but was hoping to do that another time. How likely is it I'll be able to talk a dealer shop into activating the nav once I have everything already installed and ready? The car has a salvage title, so I don't have to worry about voiding the warranty...
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Yikes, so I may as well just buy the cable and program it myself. From what I've heard, the Bavarian Technics cable/software is capable of programming all modules. Is this the case, and is it reasonable to assume this includes reconfiguring for the nav system?
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A general tool like the Bavarian Technics may not be sufficient. I think you'll have to connect to BMW to download programming, using software and tool described in this thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2534-tool.html
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A general tool like the Bavarian Technics may not be sufficient. I think you'll have to connect to BMW to download programming, using software and tool described in this thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2534-tool.html
Whether it is in the retrofit list is a good question as this is not something the dealer would do. SO it may be more difficult.
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@rkw thanks for pointing that out, I'll make a note of that when I'm ready to get everything reprogrammed
@callahan00 I think you're right, but I also enjoy doing this sort of thing, so it won't just be about the cost and result - the process is part of the fun for me
@callahan00 I think you're right, but I also enjoy doing this sort of thing, so it won't just be about the cost and result - the process is part of the fun for me
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Actually there are! Now that I have acquired almost all the components, I have decided to build a car PC instead. [sigh]
While the general consensus about the OEM nav system isn't negative, what I have heard (something around the mediocre/i-can-deal range) makes me question whether it's worth the time/effort it will take to get this all installed.
Instead I'll be doing something I hope is more interesting, more challenging, and ultimately more worthwhile. I'll keep the nav speedo, but will be replacing the LCD with a custom touchscreen. I'll start a new thread and keep it updated with pics as I progress. I'll update here with a link...
While the general consensus about the OEM nav system isn't negative, what I have heard (something around the mediocre/i-can-deal range) makes me question whether it's worth the time/effort it will take to get this all installed.
Instead I'll be doing something I hope is more interesting, more challenging, and ultimately more worthwhile. I'll keep the nav speedo, but will be replacing the LCD with a custom touchscreen. I'll start a new thread and keep it updated with pics as I progress. I'll update here with a link...
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That seems like a pretty cool upgrade over the current Nav system, and I would be very interested in mimicking a working retrofit process if someone were ever able to get one done.
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Wilco - I'm curious about your car PC install. I've been looking at doing just that, but I haven't been able to source the speedo WITHOUT the navi screen... or to find a navi screen of the right dimensions. When I looked for my BMW E90, I found a company in Korea that would sell a replacement iDrive unit that would hook up to the OEM harness _and_ also allow a VGA in from a computer - so you could switch inputs and have both running. But they didn't seem to have any Mini products.
Care to cover a bit more detail? Especially - have you been able to locate a fitting screen?
Btw, regarding programming: you need a D+CAN cable (around $100 on eBay) and EDIABAS/NCS Expert software. Then you can add whatever features you want to your car. There's a few people who do this remotely; a friend of mine is one, in fact - he will mail you a cable, log into your laptop and code whatever it is you need. PM me if you want more info on that (but you do NOT need this for a car PC, of course).
Care to cover a bit more detail? Especially - have you been able to locate a fitting screen?
Btw, regarding programming: you need a D+CAN cable (around $100 on eBay) and EDIABAS/NCS Expert software. Then you can add whatever features you want to your car. There's a few people who do this remotely; a friend of mine is one, in fact - he will mail you a cable, log into your laptop and code whatever it is you need. PM me if you want more info on that (but you do NOT need this for a car PC, of course).
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Looks like this guy put one in:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-system-2.html
I had a car PC mounted at that height in my Impreza and I found it a bit too low. Now in my BMW E90, I have it around the same level as the Mini speedo, and it's SIGNIFICANTLY better (can watch Top Gear now without danger of crashing into someone anymore). So I suspect the "better" choice, though certainly not the easier or cheaper one, is to do the following (assuming it's even possible):
- get a Navi speedo without the navi screen
- retrofit it in place of the existing speedo
- find a screen that fits into the navi opening
- fit it in there and relocate the display from the radio into the center console (like the thread I quoted above said, except just need to cut the opening for the LCD display)
Thinking about it, there's a problem - even if you COULD find a screen that fits, you lose touchscreen ability. Then you'd need something like the Rii mini keyboard to control it........ but it's hardly as good as a touchscreen.
Plus the navi-less navi speedo is probably a million dollars and probably not findable without the navi assembly behind it (and I wonder whether any retrofit coding is required?)
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-system-2.html
I had a car PC mounted at that height in my Impreza and I found it a bit too low. Now in my BMW E90, I have it around the same level as the Mini speedo, and it's SIGNIFICANTLY better (can watch Top Gear now without danger of crashing into someone anymore). So I suspect the "better" choice, though certainly not the easier or cheaper one, is to do the following (assuming it's even possible):
- get a Navi speedo without the navi screen
- retrofit it in place of the existing speedo
- find a screen that fits into the navi opening
- fit it in there and relocate the display from the radio into the center console (like the thread I quoted above said, except just need to cut the opening for the LCD display)
Thinking about it, there's a problem - even if you COULD find a screen that fits, you lose touchscreen ability. Then you'd need something like the Rii mini keyboard to control it........ but it's hardly as good as a touchscreen.
Plus the navi-less navi speedo is probably a million dollars and probably not findable without the navi assembly behind it (and I wonder whether any retrofit coding is required?)
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Wilco: Thanks for the pioneer work on this thread and the MP3 site. you came up with a slick solution. I'll do a PC computer if my navigation retrofit fails. Drop me a note if you get back online here. I may have a few questions, depending on where I end up with my project here:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-to-guide.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-to-guide.html