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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Black supercharger grille...

I just took some photos of the powder-coated black version of my supercharger grille - here you go.






I think it's definitely more subtle than the silver version I made before. Not sure which one I like better actually. These are stainless steel.

 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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Black looks good. I should of held out. I'll have to send mine off to get coated.Good thing it's not been installed.

Have you sold out of these yet?
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Yeah... think I may get mine coated as well...
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Nope - I made a few extra. Plus, I can make more silver ones any time I like (I have three more shelves left-over), and I bet that black BBQ grille paint would coat them almost as nicely as the powder coating... I plan to use that to touch mine up if I get any nicks or scratches - the paint is "satin" finish according to the guy that did them, but it's really quite flat.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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the powdercoating on mine was a bit thin and spotty....not well covered. I hit it with a few coats of satin black on both sides, to be sure it's covered. Can't hurt and if any rocks hit it, there's the black powdercoat underneath. I'll get it put in this week.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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Yeah, he said it had a few issues... I like that it was thin, since I wanted to make sure the holes were as open as they possibly could be to maximize air flow, but I'm thinking about hitting the other ones I have with a quick coat of high-temp paint as well JUST to be sure.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ImagoX
Yeah, he said it had a few issues... I like that it was thin, since I wanted to make sure the holes were as open as they possibly could be to maximize air flow, but I'm thinking about hitting the other ones I have with a quick coat of high-temp paint as well JUST to be sure.
I've been PMing you about getting one of these without any replies. So, what's up?
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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Replied - sorry, I thought you were waiting for a final fitment report from the Paulo Uber beta tester. I've yet to see his photos about the final fitment, and I know you questioned whether or not his measurements were 100% accurate. As I do not have a PU scoop here, I can't test it myself like I can with the OEM hood scoop.

PS - I'm still looking for someone that has either the M7 scoop (that wants one and will test it), or that has a 2007 coupe to make a template from as well. If anyone has either scoop system that wants one of these let me know I guess.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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Looks nice in black. I'm still rocking your original "Dodge Ram" version.
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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The silver one picked up the badge and the headlamp rings so well... I think I'll end up going back to silver, perosnally, but I'm glad I have a black one as well. I think on a car like red, yellow or white, the black would look SUPER tough, especially if that car also had the all-black aero grille. Since I have some chrome still left up front, though, and my car's pretty dark to begin with, I'm thinking silver will give a bit more contrast.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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Sorry all; I'm the one who's testing the Palo Uber scoop fitment. I should be able to get pics in the next couple days... been madness here.

I removed and did a direct tracing of the hood scoop; scanned and vectorized the drawing on the computer before sending the final template design to ImagoX. But, the proof is in the pics. I'll be sure to take some shortly!

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Replied - sorry, I thought you were waiting for a final fitment report from the Paulo Uber beta tester. I've yet to see his photos about the final fitment, and I know you questioned whether or not his measurements were 100% accurate. As I do not have a PU scoop here, I can't test it myself like I can with the OEM hood scoop.

PS - I'm still looking for someone that has either the M7 scoop (that wants one and will test it), or that has a 2007 coupe to make a template from as well. If anyone has either scoop system that wants one of these let me know I guess.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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I got mine last week (satin black) and it looks fantastic. I will be installing when I get back. Thanks for setting everything up ImagoX. Really appreciate it.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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I think it looks awesome, especially in black, and have decided that Nilla needs this one of a kind Mattification . I spoke to my service manager about adding one and he said that adding something like this is not warranty issue, but he did state that limited air flow will degrade the performance of the supercharger. So what do you folks that are using them have to say. Has anyone noticed any performance degradation due to limiting airflow.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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I'm torn between keeping bugs off my IC and having a scoop that looks fake...
 
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 11:36 PM
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I've noticed NO degradation in the supercharger performance, and I've run inserts like this for months and months.

That said, if you plan to race or Auto-X, where temps will be running high ANYWAY and time will be measured in fractions of a second, I'd pull the grille out of the scoop for the duration of the track event, then put it back in afterwards. The insert goes into the scoop in like 5 minutes tops with 2 nuts and 2 screws removed, so it's not a chore. For everyday driving, I think the look is nicer and the protection against rocks, bugs and other debris can't be beat IMHO.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sin MINI
I'm torn between keeping bugs off my IC and having a scoop that looks fake...
I've thought about doing some window screena little further back, mure stealth and will catch even smaller debris.
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I've noticed NO degradation in the supercharger performance, and I've run inserts like this for months and months.
You do know the inletis for the IC not the superchager right? If anyhting I'd expect this to stir up some turbulance and allow the air to catcha few moer of the fins of the IC, much like what harley did to get more air on the radiator of the v-rod. (Fully understanding the different situation and aerodynamics, but I dowonderifthe same basic principal applies)

Othere wise it's about the equivalant bloackage of running driving lights, the air still gets through when you're moving.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Motor On
You do know the inletis for the IC not the superchager right?
Nope, I didn't. I'm about as green as a newborn as far as this engine goes. On a scale from one to ten, I'd rate my overall mechanical expertise around a 4, with absolutely 0 experience with superchargers, intercoolers before Nilla (which I've owned 1 month).

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Othere wise it's about the equivalant bloackage of running driving lights, the air still gets through when you're moving.
On a grille, if you block half of it, you've cut off half the air running through it. There's little or no increase to the velocity of the air. Thats why truck drivers put cardboard over their grilles on really cold days to limit the amount of colder air getting to the radiator and keep the motor running at a particular temperature. Driving lights do change the flow of air in front of the grill, but don't block the area of the grill to any significance.

So, what is the function of the scoop? If I hear you, it's providing air to the intercooler which does/cools what? Let me ask the question in a different way. What would happen if you blocked all the air going through the scoop? I assume, something is going to overheat, but you tell me.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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The intercooler cools the air that's feeding into the supercharger. Cooler air = denser air = more air in the combustion process = more horsepower. That's why some aftermarket ICs have a water cooling system - they purport that the added water spritz on the IC vanes aids cooling.

In any case, I ran a boost gauge in my old MSC and I never noticed any difference in the final amount of boost displayed on the gauge with the grille in place, nor any degradation in performance, as measured by my "butt dyno". Like I said though, if you're driving really hard, like, say at a track day or AutoX, I'd remove the grille just for the duration of the event - that extra .1 second might be meaningful in that context.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Actually the IC cools air coming OUT of the supercharger (which heats air above ambient temp) before the air enters the engine.

It also has a LOT to do with driving conditions and ambient temperature. If you live in cooler climes, not a big deal for performance street driving. In hotter climates, where ambient air temp is higher to begin with, SC efficiency is a much bigger deal. And on the track, a few degrees of air temp can make a difference...

You're not apt to see a boost difference with vs. without - but there WILL be a temperature difference - which may or may not matter, depending on the factors above. :-)
 
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