this is my point... alot of things never woulda happend... I have applied my studies and Discipline with (borat voice) GREAT SUCCESS!

 

when I first made 400 HP I had a FACTORY ECI... COMPLETELY STOCK....
with an APEXi AFC connected...

no the only difference is a changed the rev limiter to ..... well... non existant... and changed the tip in of the TB to be more like the GP...

other than that... still factory

(squeaky voice) that's unpossible

 

To me this is just a word game at this point...I mean I can say I have a competely stoc ECU as well...it's the same one that came from the factory...so It's STOCK!!! Thats just using word trickery...even though the hadware of he ECU is stock, the flash that's on it is far from the factory settings...

I think the same goes for you tools, Your absolutely right, you do have a Stock ECU, but it IS being FOOLED by the APEXI to the setting that YOU or you had put on it...

If i'm wrong please correct me

 

the only thing the AFC does is clamp the map singnal to allow to richen or lean... it doens't mess with anything else... it's not a stand alone.. or even something like an Emanage it's very simple...

if that's a word game then ...well.... good luck with that...


I call it getting the job done... it works... the ECU has been happier than any thing else I have seen out there where "tuners" mess with timing and this and that.. cuase "they know better" and are "educated"

have fun discussing it... I do it... .

 

I'm not very smart...Just so we're on the same piece of paper here...Your AFC gives you the ability to adjust the settings, be it fuel or what ever on the ECU programed by the factory?

 

nope... doesn't adjust settings... that would be going into the code... it's a voltage clamp... just has fancy wrapping...

but this is getting into semantics...

if you are curious what to do and what to belive... do like I did... go get the stuff... spend the time... and learn... then you will see how much fun it is.. and why people like Ryan, Hubie, Brian, Jan and my self love giving it all back...

and no.. I am not going to get into a semantics disscussion...

 

me either...Like I said, I'm not that smart, just trying to figure this out...So the AFC adjusts the voltage going to the ECU, this in turns make the ECU "THINK" that it needs to apply X amount of fuel (in this case)

 

yes... ...and this matters for me cause I use 550s for injectors... LOL for me its like adjusting the carb on a classic...

 

Thanks, I understand now how you think by saying it's a stock ECU...But I don't think that analogy to the carbs apply...B/C if you're adjusting the carbs...your tuning the carbs. I've never worked on the carbs on the mini classic work, but I build race engines for snowmobiles and in order to adjust the fuel it requires changing the jets out, and that's hardware.

Thanks again for the conversation.

 

well rejetting yeah.. that's differnet... I jsut ment like the screws on the old carbs.. you know for idle and such... getting then "tuned"

but yeah it's stock as in factory.. and code is doing it's job relative to the perameters it has... which shows how well it's made cause MOST ecus can't handle just an AFC...they don't ahve the gamut of info that the MINI ECU has to be able to handle such extremes... which is what I think is so kewl...

 

See, but that's doing exactly what a piggyback would be doing just on a smaller scale. You're effectively using it as a DSP (Digital Signal Processor) which is all a piggyback is. It takes the signal coming from the sensors (or whatever) fiddles with it and then sends the signal on to the control unit.

 

thats my point... it's not so complicated.. and by far shows how adaptable the factory ECU is... cuase I'm sorry.. you really think going to 300% of the factory HP with a factory ecu and ONLY a voltage clamp is not amazing.... please... the factory ECU is MORE than capable of doing alot more than some are saying... and 250 WHP doesn't even require one cause joke to make..

now if you guys are looking to do this.. kewl.. if not.. talking in circles is neat and all but I have HP to make...LOL

 

Tuls - you really make it sound easy tuning SU carbs - Don't forget the Needles too - and what kind of oil in the pot - Spec said 3-in-one but I always used 5 wt - and try and tune dual inch and a half SU's - that was a job - it's much easier today but requires a lot of software knowledge. Maybe not easier but very different today - it's more put together for the owner than the old days.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread. I'm 54 and dote on the "old days"

 

Don't get me wrong... I understand... I grew up with cars... as for the carbed ones...classic minis, Austin Healys... even the occastional DB5 GT... and well it always made sence to me, learning about what's what and why... same went with computers.. been on one since the TRS80....when you see it from a young age... then it becomes second nature... putting the two together just made sence to me... LOL... like my art.. from anologe to digital... by understanding the anolage it was not easier to go digital... jsut made it possible to go farther

I'm sorry if I make it sound like it's easy... it's not that... cuase it does take some time and is worth great money if you can find someone good... I think the reason I make it sound easy is, I believe anyone can do it.. it just takes the will to educate yer self...

sort of like Chef Auguste Gusteau says... "anyone can cook!"

 

I started in computers (hardware repair) in 1984 so I know what you are saying - I loved and still do, the learning . you know when the light comes on and it all becomes clear. Started working on cars in 1970 loved that too. Your're right about all of that- I am new here because we're making the choice to buy a Mini (New or maybe a 05 model) But I've been round the block a few times. You are a well versed man Tuls, and you like to help others , that makes you a very valuable asset here on NAM. Thanks

 

thanks... I really appreciate that... I love the learning side... and giving it back makes it all worth the struggle... although at the time of the struggle I often question my level of insanity.. LOL

 

hehe... he called you an asset.

 

nm.