I like to see what numbers will come out from Mario's car with new pistons and a rebuilt engine. Guess the next best thing to do is to have forged pistons??

 

13 seconds is one thing and 30 minutes another. Our work does not throw codes either.
213 is just about the limit of the stock software due to the torque limiters.

 

No and no.

 

It's not time that makes the strip accurate... it's the MPH and weight.....

 

So who's work is throwing codes?

Longboard

 

LBM-

What upsets me is the lack of critical thinking by you and your peers. As the "Armchair Philosopher" states "Critical thinking simply means that you assume any and every claim is false unless and until it’s proven true. To get a critical thinker to agree that your claim is true, you need to provide evidence for that claim. The claim and its supporting evidence constitute an argument. Every argument has premises and a conclusion. The conclusion is the claim that the argument is trying to prove; the premises are the supporting evidence."

For those who argue that critical thinking is not a requirement when judging a claim there is nothing I can say to change your mind. (Irrationality always wins when arguing with rationality by definition.) I will offer the claim however that the greatest aspects of western culture can be directly attributed to the “critical thinkers” of the past and those among us today.

I am sure you are and your drag racing group are up to good things but I would argue that you are not demonstrating the capability as a first rate critical thinker based on the logic errors I have pointed out in my dyno posts.

Don

 

LBM-

What upsets me is the lack of critical thinking by you and your peers. As the "Armchair Philosopher" states "Critical thinking simply means that you assume any and every claim is false unless and until it’s proven true. To get a critical thinker to agree that your claim is true, you need to provide evidence for that claim. The claim and its supporting evidence constitute an argument. Every argument has premises and a conclusion. The conclusion is the claim that the argument is trying to prove; the premises are the supporting evidence."

For those who argue that critical thinking is not a requirement when judging a claim there is nothing I can say to change your mind. (Irrationality always wins when arguing with rationality by definition.) I will offer the claim however that the greatest aspects of western culture can be directly attributed to the “critical thinkers” of the past and those among us today.

I am sure you are and your drag racing group are up to good things but I would argue that you are not demonstrating the capability as a first rate critical thinker based on the logic errors (dyno accuracy not repeatability) I have pointed out in my numerous dyno posts.

Don

 

So if Longboard went to the track and run 107 107 107 and a 107 would that mean that he had repeatblity and accuracy in your eyes Don? and if he weighed it at the track and got a ticket for it so we could say that its producing XYZ whp or bhp would that satisfy you??

A dyno is a tool to tune yor car, its just a big tool you cant fit in your tool box. What a dyno doesn't do is blow 110 mph air through the scoop, it doesnt have any g force forcing the fuel in the fuel line backwards etc etc.

So if anything a dyno is inaccurate and will never re-create an real world environment, but it is a very good tool with the right operator operating it.

I was lucky to meet one of the top crew chiefs in Pro Mod racing who had made 40 bhp more on his 2200bhp V8 hemi, put in the car and it went slower.

I'm so glad I race cars in the other lane and not dynos

 

Paul-
I direct you to my post above.
My questions and comments seem to bring out the worst in the NAM regulars.
What ought to be upsetting or at least unsettling to MINI enthusiasts is the notion of false claims about performance. (And the list is long and getting longer.)
Dyno racing: see my web site.
You would be hard pressed to find a whole lot of people in America who have seen more road race track time than me. The NOPI drag thing just doesn't do it for me.

 

Wow you must be the president of AMOC...lol

you call it no hype... prove it at the strip....

 

The problem with the strip is that the driver is a big part of the result which is why the 5-60 rolling start is now a valid spec

 

accually this is untrue... the driver matters for time... but if you come out of the hole spinning tires and stay in it... you get what's called a sling shot... you will not run a good time cause your 60 ft suffers... but you WILL get the MPH... and THIS plus the WIEGHT is what calculates WHP

 

You are a real special person Don.

Longboard

 

yeah... he like my self, is semi-retarded!

LOL....aaahhhh sigh... I'm sorry I couldn't resist... this stuff is just to serious

 

Do I see an episode of "Pinks" in the future?

 

Prove it some way.

Longboard

 

Tell me about it. Smash the peddle flat and have fun.

If it breaks, fix it.

Longboard

 

doesn't this fall into the "not necessarily" category......

 

yeah on NAM.... LOL.... just like dynos don't work... on NAM....LOL....

 

LOL

overstatement of the year. we have stock computer in Texs mini and it makes 228 to the tire with a CAT!!!!!

LOL

Don... i have noticed a trend. if you can't do it no one can. perhaps you are getting too old and wise... or perhaps slightly arrogant... i don't mean that as an insult... but with age sometimes comes stuborness...

and again... run your cars at the track... i don't give a **** what the car put down on your dyno... i also don't care about swirl and all of this other garbage... because my car is still the fastest down the strip with my head the way i designed it (i myself am beginning to sound arrogant)

but my head couldn't ever compare to yours right?

sadly your times couldn't compare to mine...

 

to be honest I don't know but it does not make intuitive sense to me...... I will yield to those with experience.

you are saying that at the end of the 1/4 regardless of time the mph will be the same...... due to "sling shot" effect?.... doesn't the "rise time" and "crest factor" which is time based matter?.... and different systems/cars with different transfer functions would they not "wind up" different?..... it just seems to me that "not necessarily" works better for me so I would love an explanation so that I can learn

 

I'm busy today and away from the shop so I cannot get too caught up in this but...
If you are referencing the article written by Tex Guthrie in the March-April MC2 then you are mistaken a more than a few levels. The 228 WHP is on a DynoJet -- a dyno that uses an indirect measurement calculation. In the article Tex says he lightened the corners by 13 pounds each. That now needs to be refigured into the HP equation. An understanding of how a dyno works needs to be taken into account.
Furthermore, he references the ecu as not stock but rather a custom tune by Mynes a few times. Absent was mention of a piggyback such as SAFC as that is anything but custom.
I have never said that if I cannot do something it cannot be done. If you are getting that from my writing then you are reading something that I did not write. My issue is with false performance claims that I read on NAM.
(It ought to be noted that I am not part of the NOPI tuner crowd and the drag strip doesn’t excite me in any way. My interest lies with road racing.)

 

HA HA HA Now thats good stuff!! I like how you think...lol

JUST DO IT!

 

I've been road racing longer, faster and have more wins than all of you young punks!

I crap bigger than you too

Let the "internet pissing contest" begin!

 

Longboard