My vote goes for factory ecu tuning, and exhaust restriction.

What does everyone else think?


Granted its 1.6 liter, but between the direct injection and the variable valve timing, and erm raising boost, it should be able to put down some more power.

 

yeah I think a ecu tweaking and freeing up the flow will make some large improvments

 

my archaic 1.6 liter in my Mr2 is capable of putting down 200whp with 15psi of boost. Thats using 80's technology(well besides using standalone..). this is the latest technology that is available mainstream. With the same sort of boost we should be able to far surpass that.

 

JCW

If they keep the MCS at 175 (slight bump but nothing dramatic) then they can have a significant jump in power for the JCW kit when that comes out. If the MCS were 200 HP stock, then the take rate on a 225/230 HP JCW kit would be a lot less.

 

That does make sense, but how could 225 be the maximum for this engine to be safe?

 

That's not the max either.

Keep in mind that "SAFE" to MINI/JCW means that the kit will still have warranty AND meet Euro Noise standards AND U.S. and Euro emissions standards.

I'm sure the aftermarket will make more power "safely" with the R56 engine, but they don't have to deal with the same constraints.

 

write it down...on this day.... SpiderX said "250whp will be as easy to get to as 200 is for our current models and guys like Tuls will coax 300 without breaking a sweat."

it has too many of the right things standard

Oh and the new car will run around our current models....JMO

by the way..... this does not make me happy .... until I get my "Clubman"

 

Thats pretty much what I figured, too much technology put into it to be making 175 horse imo.

 

We will be making serious power out of this motor - I just don't know if it will be as reliable as the R53.

The exhaust looks pretty straight, but there may be some improvement to be had.

I think the ECU will be the true ticket on this car.

We will know in February when our R56 test mule gets here (but we will continue with our R53 development as well).

Randy

 

Welcome back Randy

 

You are, of course, correct about the next gen cars running rings around the current car ... its the nature of technology change. And that is why I believe the 05/06 cars prices will drop heavily once the car is on the street and ppl see what can be done (not so much for the older cars as their depreciation curve is flattening out).

Interesting, they dont sound all that optimistic on MINI2 and they have the cars. Its obvious to crank up the boost. One vendor does agree with Randy, its ALL in cracking the ECU. Link

So you really think its all marketing? Tricky.

If they were really smart, they would make the JCW model a separate model designator like the M cars ...

 

I think that's exactly why they're not. They don't want a "direct" comparison to ///M (thus JCW stays as an "option" not a separate model), but they do want to make in-house performance parts (or rather they do want to make profits from performance parts).
RE: MCS 175hp and the need to have a "healthy" power separation from both the MC (120 HP) and the JCW (225/230 HP). Yes, I think it is Marketing. And, funny enough, 175 HP places the MCS right in the middle between the MC and the JCW.

 

Chows, regarding further depreciation of the '05 & '06 that remains to be seen.

 

It has already been argued that this was the same reason the 1st gen S didn't ship with a 15% smaller pulley -- would have made it too close in power to the JCW.

 

Well, I have to look at from the point of new buyers. Its pretty fair to say, "the masses" buy new. As many have pointed out on NAM, if you can get a NEW 07 for 500 more than an 06, whats the point in going with old?

Now add to that new technology.

For the enthusiasts, its a nobrainer. Turbo is always better than Supercharged. There is a reason why turbos rule the car market and not superchargers.

ONCE ... it has been established that you will get more power ... game over. The depreciation curve on 02 - 04s is flattening, no issue there. 05/06s will simply not be desirable if you know you can get more power so the gap in prices will increase. Economics 102.

One example, first gen MR2s were supercharged. Once the second gen came out with Turbo and more power ... game over for first Gen. As they say, those that dont learn from history ... This isn't the first time a car has moved from SC to Turbo.

Yes, we will see

JCW came out a year or so after the 02s? Maybe they had to test them. Dunno.

I chose to buy JCW because to me $6K price for 40+hp on a 170HP car is a huge jump. However, to many, as can be seen by how many do NOT buy JCW, $6K on a 22K car is ridiculous when you can do the same for $2K

 

I think Peugeot will be using the same mill in their rally cars and its sure to be putting down 300 then.

 

This is going great guys some very interesting information. Anyone have any other suggestions for what maybe holding this car back or other possible improvements?

 

funny you say that..I will be selling a mk1 supercharged mr2 for about 5k with 155000 miles on it for a downpayment on the mini, the supercharged cars are a rare now in the sort of shape my car is in.

 

You have good car there. We were sad to let the SC MR2 go. Its a small car. However, let it go for a ... turbo

 

It is very upsetting for me to have to sell it, but i will only sell it if the person is capable of maintaining it, and isnt going to part it out, ill hunt them down if they every do that to such an awesome car.

 

Yes, and safe to me means long term reliability. safe means that I can drive the car well past 150k miles without powertain failure, if the aftermerket wants to jam 10lbs of crap in a 5lb sack then so be it ......but I like to keep my cars a little longer than that

 

hopefully the car having an all aluminum block wont cause problems...probably looking at sleeving the cylinders to really make some nasty power.

 

Planeguy, you got that right!! 250 hp or such doesn't mean much when the mill is blown to bits.

 

look on the bright side, the same engine in the new Peugeot 207 is only 150 bhp.

 

OUCH, thats kinda stupid, thats 5 more hp then my 88 mr2 :/, talk about shooting yourself in the face.