Removal is fairly straight forward if you did no damage your original hoses. The grey and black hose from the upstream side of the s/c goes to the one-way valve on the passenger side of the valve cover. There's another black hose that connects between the driver side of the valve cover to the air intake tubing.

 

Yea go ahead. Pile on the clueless train.

Your that little peasant on the playground that stands behind the big guy and whines "Yea, what he said"

 

I'm glad you've twisted that around to make it seem like you think you're right.

If quoting me out of context and not understanding anything I've said much less invalidate a single point I've made makes you feel good about yourself well then have a nice day.

In the end you're still clueless and I can't change that.

Now when you can come here and prove what I've expressed is wrong with more than just your ignorant conjecture please do prove me wrong.
I very much enjoy learning.
So right off the top of my head you haven't answered:

1. Where is this measurable vacuum you keep yapping about?

2. Why aren't there special FI vacuum gauges?

3.Shown that an MCS pulls more vacuum than an MC

4. Come up with a more realistic example than your irrelevant closed system argument

5. Why is there not more vacuum at WOT if the supercharger is just a vacuum producing system?

6. Come up with an argument that actually involves the function of the supercharger in the MINI. All of your "ideas" are about functions outside of use on an internal combustion motor.

7. Why is it when people install larger TBs, a VGS, higher flowing heads. etc that vacuum doesn't increase on these motors?

I will say I was wrong about the door thing though. You and Malcon just blurred into a fuzzy blot of incoherence.

I know there an expression that great minds think alike. Well, they weren't talking about you 2.

Man...... I make me laugh

 

We load DC10's every night the FedEx Indy Hub.

 

Coming from a guy who hasn't answered the most easy of all questions!? Go get your hands dirty and report back. Until then, stop typing nonsense.

 

 

Your little put your finger on a tube test has nothing to do with the discussion. Why should I bother? Besides I know the answer I'm just not responsible to you.

So when you have something relevant and worthwhile to contribute please raise your hand and maybe the grownups will let you play.

 

Cool, they are nice airframes aren't they!

I flew for ATA accross the field for a few months after I lost my TWA/AA job. They also had the same fate.

Is it just because the props are spinning so fast that it looks like it is solid white in each of the engines?

As DialM said you also need a lot of moisture (humidity) in the air. You can also see this vapor on the top of wings and also trailing in a corkscrew fashion at times of high lift (landing and take off with flaps down).

Glad you liked the picture.

 

You just keep digging, eh?

1. It is what causes air to move toward the supercharger, you can guess where it is.

2. I give up, why?

3. I haven't argued which engine "pulls more vacuum."

4. All systems are closed, if well enough defined. You haven't refuted my example, either.

5. I never claimed that the supercharger is "just a vacuum producing system." Do you still beat your wife?

6. The function of the supercharger is not at issue, and we agree on its function. The way in which it functions does not change depending on the application.

7. Measured where?

"I know there an expression that great minds think alike. Well, they weren't talking about you 2." I believe you and I have given those reading this thread plenty of evidence as to whose mind is greater. I am comfortable with that.

You have yet to answer the single question I posed: why does air move toward the supercharger?

 

DrDiff, they only had the MD-11s with the new paint...here is your bird.

 

So what is your point? Why wouldn't I want to cap off the grey vacuum hose? You still haven't answered that question.

 

I really don't want to get into this debate but here goes. First of all in no way am I claiming to be a "know it all" or even educated really in superchargers and this whole vacuum debate.

Here are a few lines from howstuffworks.com

1. Superchargers increase intake by compressing air above atmospheric pressure, without creating a vacuum.
2. There is a vacuum in the air intake stroke of any 4 cylinder engine when the piston moves down. (this has nothing to do with forced induction)
3. The rotor of the compressor can come in various designs, but its job is to draw air in, squeeze the air into a smaller space and discharge it into the intake manifold.

I don't know if this makes sence but someone asked how the air gets to the charger. Does it not just flow there? I mean with or without the charger the air would still "naturally" go that way so to speak. Considering chargers are belt driven they do not really need anything more to "operate".


Seann

 

I answered that at least 3 times. That would be why I keep saying there is no difference in the measured intake vacuum of an MCS or an MC.

Like Mr Pep'r and many others have said suck, squish, bang, blow.

The suck part has occurs with or without a supercharger.
Here's my fave

6. The function of the supercharger is not at issue, and we agree on its function. The way in which it functions does not change depending on the application.
Nice circular statement. The application changes the results. You going to try to tell me that if you put a supercharger on a bench outside that's a closed system? It's going to create vacuum on the inlet side and boost on outlet?

Next in line:
5. snip....Do you still beat your wife?
Immensely clever. Probably took you 15 minutes to come up with that one. Oh gee....I'm so offended.... gosh ...I might cry.

And last, for now.

2. I give up, why?
This clearly demonstrates that you really don't know what you're talking about. You insist that the supercharger creates vacuum. Yet you cannot prove to me that it does. You tell me where and how to measure it. I'll buy the test equipment and do exactly what you say. As long as the control is the identical motor without a supercharger. I realize that can't be easily done so I can accept that an MC motor could be the control.
Your test needs to prove that somewhere, somehow there is a distinct measurable increase in vacuum in the MCS motor and this is caused solely by the supercharger.

That would be all I would need to prove your assertion that the supercharger creates vacuum in the system. That would be vacuum above, or should I say below, levels found in the NA version of the motor.

Until you can do that you're just talking out your butt about things you don't truly understand.

I do apologize for not being able to sink to the all time low you have reached by involving my wife in this.
You are a boor of the highest measure.

I once again anticipate your witless maundering. It amuses me.

 

Makes perfect sense to me. Some really smart guy has been saying that all along.

 

Your such an instigator!!!

 

Whuh! Hunh? Who me.

Help! Help! I'm being repressed

 

The point is to get people to actually get their hands dirty, start to experience things for themselves, and hopefully become critical thinkers.

Did you test? What did you find out? Let me know and we will discuss and I will attempt to answer all of your questions as to why you won't want to cap that hose off, or even run a squishy tube (the ones ALTA supplies with their OCCs) there.

 

Sure is quiet in here

 

I am NOT taking sides here, though I give the nod to obehave for being slightly funnier.

What I want to know is why dominicminicoopers is so hung up on going out and getting your hands dirty - do you work for a soap company? ScottinBend just wants a simple answer, yet you refuse to supply it.

I do not profess to be an expert in anything that I can discuss in a public forum , but I will go out on a limb and say this is the most entertaining OCC thread in NAM history.

 

Hammer, too often people bench-race and/or keyboard-wrench all the time. Sometimes this bench-wrenching gets in the way of reality. To break free from this, one needs to put down the keyboard and step away over to the garage and get some real life experience.

I'll give you an example. Many people on this site as well as places like motoringfile.com say a MINI with 300hp would be undrivable on the street. They had NO proof of this what-so-ever!! They were unwilling to go get proof of this. Yet, even after being challenged and being told that it is quite possible, they still spread these falsehoods. I got together with Tuls and made a video of my 305hp MINI and his 400hp MINI actually driving on the street. Proving, without a doubt, that a 300hp MINI is very controllable and drivable on the street.

Hence this thread. ALTA says to plug off this grey tube is OK as it has no use (however, they do say you can hook your OCC inline with it, using their supplied tubing). I say there is a use and a purpose for that grey tube. I also say that the supplied tubing is much too weak to handle the pressures the line sees. First we need to see what it is doing. Does it containair, water, oil, coolant, other? What is it doing at idle? What about while cruising? What about at WOT? Then we need to think logically about why it is connected to where it is. Why is there a one-way valve? Why does it flow one direction and not the other. I don't think the BMW engineers said "Hey, we've got some extra resources here, so let's think of putting something on the car that has no useful purpose whatsoever. Hans, I'll bet you that there'll be a lot of keyboard-wrenchers typing about this for years to come. This will be way cool to make!"

 

I get what you're saying, but you have to realize that some people don't want to get their hands dirty - they don't care how the internal combustion engine works, they just want to know if what a vendor is telling them is correct or harmful. When someone says "I'm thinking of putting an OCC on my car" I would say that many do not literally mean they are going to do the work themself, rather they are going to pay to have it done. Many would think along the lines that 30 minutes spent under the hood doing experiments is 30 less minutes of pleasure driving time. If I knew the answer and the dude keeps asking for the answer, I would provide the answer. But that's just me. I am Switzerland in all of this.

 

OK...I've been following this meaningless thread since it has started. I have been biting my tounge not to say anything, but I can't hold back any longer.

-- Johan

 

Slightly!!!???

Wuh? You and I need to talk pal.

More importantly though I was the one that was right

 

Dude, if you disconnect the outlet of the supercharger, would the supercharger still pull air in? YES. Since you already admitted that air moves towards the supercharger because of the presence of a vacuum, and if air still moves towards it even if it is just blowing out into the atmosphere, then only an idiot would argue that it wasn't creating vacuum on the inlet side. But that no longer surpises me coming from you.

If you are not familiar with the "do you still beat your wife" comment, then perhaps you are ill-prepared to debate. You asked a question which inherently mischaracterized my stance and was unanswerable, and thus I asked one which, presumably, mischaracterized you and was unanswerable. Google "do you still beat your wife" or do some research on debate to learn about your overtired technique.