That was why the move to variable valve timing - so that you could actually have it both ways (low and high end being optimized). And the 2007 model engine will have VVT.

 

From what I can tell we are down to my credibility re the cam......I mentioned that there have been several mods that I have done that have been disappointing ---- no I'll PM you and take this off line -- PM coming

 

 

I think my post got lost in the spear throwing...DMH, could you answer this, (an) inquiring mind wants to know!

 

I actually was wondering this as well. If we're not talking about the same measurements here, how can it even be compared?

 

Most of the testing I did was at high load & RPM in 2nd. Most of Jenn B's number give IC TEs of mid 50%s under cruising..... I think this is lower than what I would expect, I have no apples to apples comparison data.

Matt

 

water temp.

 

Feel Ain't Real. Ask a golfer.

 

supercharged engine, yes?

 

I am or I should say was a golfer...did you not receive my PM where I reference golf...... when you hit a golf ball there is imediate feedback whether you hit it flush, fat, thin, shank..... when you hit a baseball the same is true....there are countless examples of feel being real.....I thought you were a sports psychologist....the concept of "muscle memory" is built around "feel", when you train to drive a race car etc...... you feel the fine nuances that seperate your performances.....I throw up my hands.... you clearly have an agenda and I am choosing to stop participating

 

Any record of the pre-i/c temp?

 

ooooooh damn,

Jenn you were right, you said it Sat.!!!


If you think that feel isn't real, the try grabbin' a woman a$$ and her slapping your face. Tell me that's not real!

 

 

Wow this was a interesting little read. We have the next batch of DFIC''s coming in later this week and will get them out as fast as we can. As they all have built in fittings for instrument probes I am sure many more findings will be posted and there will be even more speculation.

I can make a few comments here however .

1/ Bigger is not always better as the bigger your IC is the the slower it responds once it has achieved heat soak.There is just too much hot metal for the incoming air to cool down . By taking a poor design , the stock Ic , and making it bigger you have not really accomplished anything. The air still has to make a big turn to get thru the IC. The air STILL has no place to go if it does indeed make it thru the IC. Additionally the bigger Ic's also do a fine job of blocking a good percentage of the air intake which also causes them to lose efficiency. Take a look in the front of some of the cars equipped with a larger IC and all you will see is the side of the cooler itself.

2/ As for making our DFIC bigger we could, but we won't. The size of this unit is the most efficient one for the applications requirements. To go larger would only put us in the same situation regarding heat soak even though ours is positioned in a more efficient direction metal still gets hot and wants to stay that way. The engine requirements of the Mini are what have dictated the size of the DFIC. As with the all of our products we rely on our close proximity to some of the leading automotive parts manufacturers to assist us in the design and production of our products.This particular unit is built in the USA by one of the leading intercooler design and production firms in the world and not something that can be picked up in a basic configuration at the SEMA show for sixty bucks , seventy if you want it polished Being in Southern California has its disadvantages as far as traffic goes but if you are in the auto parts business it gives you an advantage that no one can compete with.

3/ As for numbers I know they are important to many and to me as well but perhaps in a different way. With regards to the DFIC the only numbers that matter to me are 3 and 4 and 4 and 3 . These are the gears I use when running up my test hill climb route. Without the DFIC I am in 3rd gear for most of the run touching 4th on the straightaways . With the DFIC 4th gear for most of the run and touching third for a couple of the tight turns. In my book that averages out to being able to pull almost an entire gear higher and that is all I really care about.

Randy
M7 tuning

 

I think I have to take issue with this statement. While it may be true for you, I doubt highly that you can speak to the effective calibration of the entire human collective, and where some people may not be able to feel effects, and some that may invent psychosomatic responses, there remains the distinct possibility that there will be men and women that can easily detect with accuracy whether the feel is real or not.

 

ooo...i could see this turning into a deep convo about what it really real...just cuz we can touch it and feel it does that make it real? or does that just mean our brains are getting responses from nerves blah blah...i have no idea wat im talking about :P its like the matrix or something haha

 

 

As for the golf business, I have been sitting here most of the day doing the video breakdown of the swings from a few clients at the US Open. They get subcontracted out to me. See my web site www.bigdoggolfvideo.com.
As for feel ain't real practically, the entire sport world recognizes this notion. Check out our clients and you will see how many top level athletes train with video analysis; www.dartfish.com.
And for those interested in NASCAR, Dartfish video has been used by Roush Racing since about 1998. It's not my account but I do follow it. We also sponsor the Pole Vision team in Europe and work with driver development programs from race karts to F1.
Concerning mental health, the notion of feel is what taints it as a legitimate science in the eyes of many.

 

We're not testing golf clubs, the thing under the bonnet is an intercooler. I've seen, it looks nothing like a golf club.

 

In the world of "who's nutz be the biggest" (which you seem to be an advocate for) you are correct in saying that feel has no impact.

However, most of us are not here for the "big nutz" aspect. We are here for the feel. We like our MINIs because of how they feel.

-When I tromp on my accelerator I'm not thinking in my head about what kind of torque I'm currently generating or what WHP I have...
-When I'm blasting through corners at insane speeds and feeling my seatbelt hugging me as I do the unthinkable I'm not thinking about g-forces or friction...

I'm thinking one thing:

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


So if I buy a mod that increases my WHEEEEEE factor... then damnit... that is good money spent on a good mod.

So for you to come in here and attempt to shoot down the credibility of some people because youz nutz is bigger then the rest, is out of line.

Because we aren't here to flex nutz. We're here to encourage each other in obtaining the ultimate WHEEEEEE factor... and if SpiderX and obehave and Randy and Will and... and... and.. etc... found or created a product that increases WHEEEEEE then I would buy that way before I ever bought a "well I'm from here with this and this and I dyno only with eddy (whoever the hell eddy is)" kind of product.

 

Really? All of them? Every single person in sports? Interesting....

Again, as you have claimed that you do not know everything, you do not know. You also do not know all configurations of all the MINI's that would use a part, specifically Spider's in this case, so you cannot say for sure if he can or cannot feel a difference, be it a cam or an intercooler. So what you are spreading is disinformation, which I also seem to remember you being at least marginally against.

 

I think we should institute a wheeeee factor rating, based on your post.

 

So, I guess that when you upgrade someone's MINI with MTH(since you are a "specialist"), the difference in the car is not real. It's just the imagination of the customer. Do you send hypnosis software in the bundle so they can have the sensation of more power while not actually having it? If "feel ain't real" then how do people know the vehicle was even modified? I'll tell you how since you are having a difficult time grasping this concept... they feel it.

 

Weeeee! and show me the numbers

 

You have put words in my mouth just as others have. "Practically all" is not "All of them? Every single person in sports?" Intellectual honesty, as business honest, ought to be an important concept to you and your business.

Once again I'm confused: Is M7 selling an image or a go fast part? I'd like to know that your DFIC works but from what I can tell my stock IC delivered practically the same intake temp as yours. I don't want to know that it feels better to your customers; I want to know if it actually works and works at the only place a go fast part matters: the track.

Importantly, I don't need somebody getting their "wee factor" on the same street shared by me. Responsibility comes to mind.