Drivetrain Polished Alum. Catch Can = $40
Polished Alum. Catch Can = $40
Here's a nice-looking oil catch can for $40, which is a fair price for the technology, compared to the more than $125 that some charge for similar products...
Weapon R Catch Can
It even comes with a Red or Blue cap, for those wanting a little more bling...
Weapon R Catch Can
It even comes with a Red or Blue cap, for those wanting a little more bling...
Here is another aluminum catch can that should be a better fit - it's "hight" is only 6". This one can be had for $40.98 including shipping, and it even has a magnetic drain plug, like the $129 M7 version.
In fact, aside from the logo on the top, I believe it may actually be the M7 oil catch can, for $90 plus shipping less...
In fact, aside from the logo on the top, I believe it may actually be the M7 oil catch can, for $90 plus shipping less...
No difference in installation, and the Alta is made of silicone, which is specifically not rated (by DuPont) to contain oil, gasoline, or toluene, all of which are found in a catch can. The silicone hose discolors as the chemicals begin to degrade it.
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Originally Posted by OldRick
No difference in installation, and the Alta is made of silicone, which is specifically not rated (by DuPont) to contain oil, gasoline, or toluene, all of which are found in a catch can. The silicone hose discolors as the chemicals begin to degrade it.
I did shorten the silicone hose which made installation easier. Don't think finding a location for an 8" tank will be easy.
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Originally Posted by OldRick
Here is another aluminum catch can that should be a better fit - it's "hight" is only 6". This one can be had for $40.98 including shipping, and it even has a magnetic drain plug, like the $129 M7 version.
In fact, aside from the logo on the top, I believe it may actually be the M7 oil catch can, for $90 plus shipping less...
In fact, aside from the logo on the top, I believe it may actually be the M7 oil catch can, for $90 plus shipping less...
I suspect that this is his way of setting a floor price on the item. It's not an eBay thing at all. The max price one would pay would be $15.95 plus $24.95, and if no-one else bid above your minimum, it would be $6 less...
I just spoke to M7 and while on the phone, asked dimensions of the M7 tank - Peter stated under 3" diameter and about 5" tall, so this is probably not identical - maybe a knock-off.
I just spoke to M7 and while on the phone, asked dimensions of the M7 tank - Peter stated under 3" diameter and about 5" tall, so this is probably not identical - maybe a knock-off.
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Originally Posted by OldRick
I suspect that this is his way of setting a floor price on the item. It's not an eBay thing at all. The max price one would pay would be $15.95 plus $24.95, and if no-one else bid above your minimum, it would be $6 less...
Either way it's a good buy I think, for those wanting an oil catch can minus the big price tag... So has anyone ordered one yet? My engine bay needs some bling, I might just buy one...
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Rick,
5" should clear everything. Hope that helps!
On the topic - I think there are probably knock offs from overseas that are cheaper than the units we offer in the community, but those manufacturers do nothing to further the industry.
PROFIT isn't a dirty word - it is what makes new products available for our cars. Without any margin, I can't develop anything. I certainly wish I could offer everything with no built in margin, but then I couldn't operate a shop, run equipment, have employees, R&D new parts, race to test said parts, etc. etc.
You may pay a premium by using the vendors that suuport the community, but they give back more than a basement or Ebay operator - in the business world, it is called value added. For instance, we can support the product with installation, warranty, phone advice, product recommendation, testing results, etc. That is worth an increase in price to most folks, and it is what keeps companies like ours in business. We have certainly seen the decline of "brick and mortar" companies since the invention of the internet, where we can work from home in our underwear. Of course, I hope we offer enough of a service to make our customers happy they chose to do business with us (and that has nothing to do with me being in my underwear).
We try to stay industry standard with our pricing, eventhough we do offer value added service. It just isn't feasible to compete with some things though - this catch can being a good example. If you are a do it yourselfer, go for it!
Another quick point before I get off of my soapbox; the M7 can comes with the correct fittings for the MINI, fuel line for the hoses, high quality stainless steel clamps, and the correct bracket to fit in the MINI. You usually really do get what you pay for - though there certainly are sometimes values out there.
Randy
5" should clear everything. Hope that helps!
On the topic - I think there are probably knock offs from overseas that are cheaper than the units we offer in the community, but those manufacturers do nothing to further the industry.
PROFIT isn't a dirty word - it is what makes new products available for our cars. Without any margin, I can't develop anything. I certainly wish I could offer everything with no built in margin, but then I couldn't operate a shop, run equipment, have employees, R&D new parts, race to test said parts, etc. etc.
You may pay a premium by using the vendors that suuport the community, but they give back more than a basement or Ebay operator - in the business world, it is called value added. For instance, we can support the product with installation, warranty, phone advice, product recommendation, testing results, etc. That is worth an increase in price to most folks, and it is what keeps companies like ours in business. We have certainly seen the decline of "brick and mortar" companies since the invention of the internet, where we can work from home in our underwear. Of course, I hope we offer enough of a service to make our customers happy they chose to do business with us (and that has nothing to do with me being in my underwear).
We try to stay industry standard with our pricing, eventhough we do offer value added service. It just isn't feasible to compete with some things though - this catch can being a good example. If you are a do it yourselfer, go for it!
Another quick point before I get off of my soapbox; the M7 can comes with the correct fittings for the MINI, fuel line for the hoses, high quality stainless steel clamps, and the correct bracket to fit in the MINI. You usually really do get what you pay for - though there certainly are sometimes values out there.
Randy
Hey Randy,
I've got no problem at all with profit - I'm a small businessman myself, and I understand that no progress is made if vendors can't stay in biz.
However, I do have a problem with under-engineered products that are massively over-marketed. After all, a beer can with $2 worth of rubber hose stuck in the pop-top hole and a Brillo pad inside would work just as well as the $130 catch-cans that are being sold as somehow superior.
I agree that quality and appearance are certainly worth paying for, as is ease of installation, but there is no technology involved in an oil catch can, and some have "minus technology", such as those made of materials that are not suitable.
That said, I don't like anything I've seen so far, cheapies or platinum-plated, so I'll most likely make my own. Probably not a beer can - but maybe Red Bull - after all, they support the Mini community too, with their Red Bull Mini...
I've got no problem at all with profit - I'm a small businessman myself, and I understand that no progress is made if vendors can't stay in biz.
However, I do have a problem with under-engineered products that are massively over-marketed. After all, a beer can with $2 worth of rubber hose stuck in the pop-top hole and a Brillo pad inside would work just as well as the $130 catch-cans that are being sold as somehow superior.
I agree that quality and appearance are certainly worth paying for, as is ease of installation, but there is no technology involved in an oil catch can, and some have "minus technology", such as those made of materials that are not suitable.
That said, I don't like anything I've seen so far, cheapies or platinum-plated, so I'll most likely make my own. Probably not a beer can - but maybe Red Bull - after all, they support the Mini community too, with their Red Bull Mini...
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I totally agree with the can and a Brillo - it will work as well. I'd like to see the Red Bull unit!! 
I don't have one of the "marketed" units on my car, but I went teh opposite way. Mine is actually more expensive due to the materials used for the can!
Seriously - have fun making your own. It can be rewarding to do it yourself and finish with a fine piece - that's how Pilo Racing got started!
Randy
I don't have one of the "marketed" units on my car, but I went teh opposite way. Mine is actually more expensive due to the materials used for the can!
Seriously - have fun making your own. It can be rewarding to do it yourself and finish with a fine piece - that's how Pilo Racing got started!
Randy
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Would you rather pay $41 with free shipping and handling, or $16 plus $25 shipping and handling?
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Originally Posted by RandyBMC
Rick,
5" should clear everything. Hope that helps!
On the topic - I think there are probably knock offs from overseas that are cheaper than the units we offer in the community, but those manufacturers do nothing to further the industry.
PROFIT isn't a dirty word - it is what makes new products available for our cars. Without any margin, I can't develop anything. I certainly wish I could offer everything with no built in margin, but then I couldn't operate a shop, run equipment, have employees, R&D new parts, race to test said parts, etc. etc.
You may pay a premium by using the vendors that suuport the community, but they give back more than a basement or Ebay operator - in the business world, it is called value added. For instance, we can support the product with installation, warranty, phone advice, product recommendation, testing results, etc. That is worth an increase in price to most folks, and it is what keeps companies like ours in business. We have certainly seen the decline of "brick and mortar" companies since the invention of the internet, where we can work from home in our underwear. Of course, I hope we offer enough of a service to make our customers happy they chose to do business with us (and that has nothing to do with me being in my underwear).
We try to stay industry standard with our pricing, eventhough we do offer value added service. It just isn't feasible to compete with some things though - this catch can being a good example. If you are a do it yourselfer, go for it!
Another quick point before I get off of my soapbox; the M7 can comes with the correct fittings for the MINI, fuel line for the hoses, high quality stainless steel clamps, and the correct bracket to fit in the MINI. You usually really do get what you pay for - though there certainly are sometimes values out there.
Randy
5" should clear everything. Hope that helps!
On the topic - I think there are probably knock offs from overseas that are cheaper than the units we offer in the community, but those manufacturers do nothing to further the industry.
PROFIT isn't a dirty word - it is what makes new products available for our cars. Without any margin, I can't develop anything. I certainly wish I could offer everything with no built in margin, but then I couldn't operate a shop, run equipment, have employees, R&D new parts, race to test said parts, etc. etc.
You may pay a premium by using the vendors that suuport the community, but they give back more than a basement or Ebay operator - in the business world, it is called value added. For instance, we can support the product with installation, warranty, phone advice, product recommendation, testing results, etc. That is worth an increase in price to most folks, and it is what keeps companies like ours in business. We have certainly seen the decline of "brick and mortar" companies since the invention of the internet, where we can work from home in our underwear. Of course, I hope we offer enough of a service to make our customers happy they chose to do business with us (and that has nothing to do with me being in my underwear).
We try to stay industry standard with our pricing, eventhough we do offer value added service. It just isn't feasible to compete with some things though - this catch can being a good example. If you are a do it yourselfer, go for it!
Another quick point before I get off of my soapbox; the M7 can comes with the correct fittings for the MINI, fuel line for the hoses, high quality stainless steel clamps, and the correct bracket to fit in the MINI. You usually really do get what you pay for - though there certainly are sometimes values out there.
Randy
Agree w/ much that you have said and we all hav eto eat - its just that a OCC is not the best product example when it comes to furthering the industry.
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Oh but it is a great example. That's the point that is so often missed. Any part we sell needs to have margin in it to pay for the new swaybar, the new exhaust, the new supercharger project, the new water/air manifold project, etc. etc.
You can't just have margins on some parts and give away others. There has to be reasonable margin on everything - that way you don't have to gouge the customer on certain items just because they are furthering the industry.
Hope that helps!
Randy
You can't just have margins on some parts and give away others. There has to be reasonable margin on everything - that way you don't have to gouge the customer on certain items just because they are furthering the industry.
Hope that helps!
Randy
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