200 whp is very very difficult without head mods, on any model year so far. Some may achieve it with less, but they would be very lucky. I'm running M7/Cosworth Stage 2+, and when my half-done custom tuning is finished, it'll be safely past 200 whp. Mind you, I AM and will be running an 8150 rpm redline, too! With an MTH tune, the original Cosworth car made 201 whp. If this is too off topic and thus angering people, anyone can feel free to pm me whenever. Good night, all!

 

I stand corrected. Ingsoc's comments are reflected in:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=200+whp

What's needed for 200whp is somewhere in the middle of the first page.

 

To answer your question...well, it all depends who you talk to....

I do not belive 17% or 19% are worth while....let alone adding a crank pulley to that...it take the SC out of it's efficent range...ofcourse people are going to swear up and down it works...and that's kewl...I have personaly tested this....not just with dyno #s but with Air intake temps and timing...

as for all the other stuff people recommend...bolting on every single thing you can is also a great way to loose HP...

Start with a baseline....see what you have NOW....that dictates alot...My mini was very strong from the factory...with only a few mods made 188 WHP...on a day that was 102 degrees.....the mods were CAI, exhaust, 15%....so with PROPER TUNING I bet I could have reached 200 WHP...let alone with a QUALITY head....and I stress quality...they are NOT all ported equaly....

 

It would be a wee bit easier if someone could make us a stroker kit to get us to a higher displacement... 1.8 is fine

Then maybe that twin screw project or more centrifugal sc kits for us all... only way to get a sure hp rating of 250+whp.

Just don't get this done before I finish my project


Hope you get 200+crap hp soon.. good luck finding someone with the right info to do so.
BTW is this off-topic

 

This is all a moot point. We can keep on going about how a MCS can be modded to beat an RX-7, but what does it really mean. Let's say you dump 10k into the Mini and actually create an MCS capable of beating his stock RX-7. He's going to go out, spend a fraction of what you spent and smoke you. Can anybody tell me what FTR's dragster is pulling for quarter mile times? It was something like 11.48 at 118MPH. Your friend can go out spend probably 10k to get a full LS1 / T56 swap and blow by that time and I'm talking about low 11s / high 10s in the high 120s. There's always somebody faster out there despite what you do. What is really important is that you enjoy your car. Sure your friend with the rx-7 has something to prove, but I'm sure you don't. Next time your friend states that he is going to beat you, ask him if he wants a cookie for his great accomplishment.

 

LOL THAT'S AWSOME!!

 

And if you still think that you can beat him on the twisties.

An RX-7 with GAB coilovers/M2 links, unobtanium bushings, TriPoint adj sway bar on some 18X10.5 rims will pull 1.13g. I think this was a test by Sport Compact Car. Out of the box, they pull about .97g on the skidpad, 68 MPH slalom and a stopping distance of 110 feet.

 

Sorry to disappoint, the car I had before the MCS was a 3rd gen RX-7. In almost every respect, 1/4 mile, handling (autocross, track) the MCS is no comparison to a RX-7. It's just a different car. The RX-7 was designed as a sports car, with excellent balance and power. The MINIs are just not designed with that in mind.

On the positive side, you will beat him in reliability, gas mileage, and of course, you have a back seat! If both of you are in a road course, the last thing you have to worry about is overheating on the track, but the first thing he have to worry about IS overheating on the track.

I still miss my RX-7, unfortunately it's a handfull to maintain. With my MCS i'm just happy that I don't have to deal with all that and all I have to do is happy motoring.

 

I didn't get a chance to read every post, but the subject intrigued me. I'm still extremely enthusiastic about my nearly stock MC, and was just as excited back in August, after i'd owned my MINI for 5 months. I was hanging out at an old friend's apartment when a guy there started talking about what he wanted to do to his car. The stuff he named off was much like what was done to my old miata, and the brands he called out were stuff i had on my miata as well, but i never questioned the car he had. I started to give my input and he started thinking "little girl trying to act like she knows about cars" About an hour later, and after a really heavy discussion on cars, he was convinced i knew a thing or two, and was impressed.

He'd never asked me what kind of car i drove, but walked outside and came back in saying there was a little Yellow mini in the lot and it was near my friend's apartment door, and he asked if my friend knew who's it was. I raised my hand and he asked to drive it. He couldn't believe the handling, but complained about the power. He was even more impressed i drove a manual, so he went home, and 10 minutes later i hear a PSHUUUU outside. I freak out saying OMG BLOW OFF VALVE. A second later he walks in saying he brought his car over, and wanted me to drive it.

93 twin turbo RX-7, and it was amazing. The power is rediculous compared to the MINI, and i absolutely loved the loud PSHUUUU I can't believe a mini would ever have power to match that car, and it handled alright, but i felt much more daring handling in my miata. He ended up drifting it for me, and i was impressed... felt like i was in Initial D :P

Good luck ever beating it in the 1/4. If i could suck up owning an RX-7, i'd buy one in a heartbeat. They're gorgeous... even a decade later.

 

i concur

 

The RX was fabulous, 800lbs less than the Supra of the time, and lighter than even an NSX.

The cheapest route to 255hp is undoubtedly a wet nitrous system. Only usable in short bursts but certainly no less reliable than a twincharge, since the supercooling effect and N2O itself both suppress detonation. Of course you could use twincharge AND nitrous to approach 300hp: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=59575

But how will you get the power to the ground? Look at any tuner magazine car test, and you'll find that no matter how modified, it is nearly impossible to break high 13s in any FWD car on street tires. So you'd pretty much need drag slicks just to reliably beat a stock Turbo '93 with street tires. Not to mention a turbo car is ridiculously easy to tweak just by upping the boost, and the RX is nearly as light as a MCS. He said after the mods his 0-60 will be in the low fives, so is he doing nothing? A '93 is already there.

Maybe with nitrous and from a rolling start, but I don't know any dragstrips like that.

 

"Good Job, Want a cookie?" , then proceed to the nearest starbucks to buy him a cookie, guaranteed to **** him off.

-Rehearse it so that it sounds nonchalant, it's the best way to win without actually winning

Truth be told, I like appearing like the underdog and beating somebody. That's why I think twincharged Minis are so cool. If you win, you've accomplished a magnificent feat. If you lose, you were "supposed" to lose. The winner appears like he was just picking on somebody in a totally different class. I highly doubt your friend can go around bragging to people about his Mini kill. He SHOULD be looking for Ferrari kills. It shouldn't be too much of a reach and it's always fun to see somebody with a hot chick in the passenger seat and a $250k car get blown away by a $25k car. In the end though, he's in the Ferrari and does have the hot chick to console him. Get your thrills where you can get them.

I'm not too sure what Minis can beat in a straight line... other than ricers in their hondas and other poseurs. Anybody have any input on this?

 

...if I wanted to go dragracing. It would be pretty easy to get 400 or so HP, it's got rear wheel drive already and the LOOK is pure retro speed, does anyone else agree? More bang for the buck, and probably handles pretty well with the right suspension. But what do you need with handling? Dump the clutch at 5K and keep it from sliding, keep it going in a straight line.....

 

eh? Question was what else can the Mini beat on a straight line other than ricers.

But since we're talking about the Mustang, the fact that it's a Mustang is a real turnoff. It just means every high school girl is going to have one and I'm going to have to see it on every street corner. And is it just me, but do American cars in general all have a very cheap look. Even the metal work on the Mustang looks cheap to me. To each his own though.

I think we all know where I'd go if I wanted a good drag car (cough) Rx-7 w/ an LS2 swap bored out to 427 (cough). Sorry for the particularly long cough.

 

I think the whole MINI-in-a-straight-line topic is just kind of like taking my Buell XB 9 on a off road rallye or a hillclimb. Sure, I can do it but it isn't the best tool or even an appropriate tool for the job at hand. I think any job gets better after I pick the right tool the first time, saves lots of skinned knuckles and a lot of hard work for nothing.

 

Yeah, it's funny how the mustangs became such a "chick" car. My sister is on her 3rd convertible. But if you grew up in the 60's and 70's you know it's a muscle car. 80's teenagers missed all of that, and that's probably the whole reason for the ricer phenomenon. I think if you want to MOD something, you could go a long way in the 'stang and probably look like no chick out there...

 

But you'd be ridiculously shamed if the Buell beat you on an off road rally or a hill climb, wouldn't you? I'm just asking what league out minis can play in. Asking if a Mini can beat an RX-7 is like asking a high-schooler to take on a 1st draft pick. I'm just trying to figure out who plays in our division. Plus it's not like ANY honda, with the exception of the S2000, is suited for drag racing, and then, it's not really it's purpose.

 

Since we're talkin apples and oranges,
how about a full modded Shifter Kart vs a Mini Cooper
- Good Luck getting a Cooper to out handle the Kart -
- 2.5 G+ handling - Fat Chance -

 

......... well, that was a fun read. Rarely read these types of threads.

I almost bought an RX7 as a track car. They are quite quick out there in racing garb.

My advice? Save all that freaking money and go do a bunch of DEs. After a season of that you won't have the need to take challenges like this one.

 

anyone notice chillicooper hasnt responded for awhile after this thread has completely gone off topic?

its been a great read so far

 

Therefore, All your bases are belong to RX-7. QED.


After proving that theorem, I vote that we sticky this post so that we never have to prove that an RX-7 >> MCS. Anybody else agree?

 

Ya, you got my vote there!

 

I never owned a Mustang in high school.. actually i didn't own anything in high school. I just had REAL "chick" cars after i graduated... a Miata and a MINI :P

 

Why won't a MINI beat an FD rex? While the FD was designed to compete successfully with Porsche, the MINI had a different design point.

Here's a quote from the Mini Service Training manual, which I just finished reading: "The design objective for the new MINI COOPER was to produce the most emotive small car in the world."

"Emotive" can be defined as "affectional: characterized by emotion"

Based on the depth of emotions that I keep seeing displayed on this web site, they appear to have succeeded...