Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain Official ALTA Q&A thread!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 27, 2006 | 10:22 PM
  #551  
kurvhugr's Avatar
kurvhugr
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 0
From: So. Maryland, USA
Originally Posted by fiveover
Alta, PLEASE DO THE SINGLE SIDED EXHAUST FOR THE "S"
You mean like this? (check it out at ALTA's site)

 
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 08:09 AM
  #552  
ALTA2's Avatar
ALTA2
Thread Starter
|
Manufacturer
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
From: Oregon
obehave,
The Powder coat shouldn't come off, but, we have seen some cars on the east coast (where everything rusts!) where this happened. For about a year now, we have cromated the parts and powdered them to help stopped this. Do you have this problem?

gizzer777,
We replaced the brass fittings (not the best color to match the cans) with glass filled nylon fittings. These fittings are 400degree fittings, and are very durable. But they are a pipe fittings, so they are supposed to be tight threading in. WE have only changed this one time?? You make it sound like all the parts are getting cheaper? But because people have asked, we have been including both. Then everyone is happy. Also we send them out to anyone that asks.

The instructions are very clear (reading) but the pictures were an issue with the way they were being replicated. This along with our new website will be on our site for download. So no more issues with pictures.

HHFD633,
Get the plugs, they are not that expensive at all, but provide the extra edge against knock, just like the Dr. said.

fiveover,
you never know!

kurvhugr,
I think he was talking about an exhaust like the Standard Mini. But if not, there you go! We make it already!
 
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:31 AM
  #553  
Big Daddy's Avatar
Big Daddy
5th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 830
Likes: 1
From: Windsor, ON Canada
Originally Posted by tavis1
Thankyou so much for the reply Alta 2! I really do love your products and I always claim " powered by Alta " to all my MINI friends.

It's not that the exhuast is woblely, It seams like it is off to one side ( the passenger side ). It is actually is very stable on the car. Before i put the collar on, the P- side hanger would rest on the heat shield and with normal engine vibration it would vibrate against it and make noise. the D- side had maybe a 1/4 inch or less in it's hanger on that side. So I pried it over and put the collar on and when I released it pulled back over pulling on the D- mount. It does not hit the P- side anymore, I was just worried with the constant pull on the D- mount it will eventually rip it.
TAvis
I am a little confused by the above post. I recently had Chad at Detroit Tuned install a new Sportone exhaust. Love the sound, love the look, btw. However, I did notice that there was no hanger on the driver's side in the area of the rear tips as is suggested in tavis1's post. Was this somehow left out of the box? The left tip hangs slightly lower than the right (see pic) and having a hanger support it on the driver's side would resolve this cosmetic issue as well as stop the tips from jiggling so badly at idle. I have considered taking it to a muffler shop to have them add a hanger on the D-side. Any help on this ALTA? Thanks in advance.



BD
 
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 08:24 PM
  #554  
jymontoya's Avatar
jymontoya
5th Gear
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
Does your exhaust system now come with chrome tips???

I read this somewhere, and wanted to confirm.

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 08:57 PM
  #555  
kurvhugr's Avatar
kurvhugr
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 0
From: So. Maryland, USA
Originally Posted by Big Daddy
I am a little confused by the above post. I recently had Chad at Detroit Tuned install a new Sportone exhaust. Love the sound, love the look, btw. However, I did notice that there was no hanger on the driver's side in the area of the rear tips as is suggested in tavis1's post. Was this somehow left out of the box? The left tip hangs slightly lower than the right (see pic) and having a hanger support it on the driver's side would resolve this cosmetic issue as well as stop the tips from jiggling so badly at idle. I have considered taking it to a muffler shop to have them add a hanger on the D-side. Any help on this ALTA? Thanks in advance.
There should be a mounting point on the front side of the tail pipe, about half way between the muffler and the tip. It's a couple of open loops with set screws. There should have been a bent bracket piece that you feed through loops, adjust to go through the driver's side hanger, and then tighten down with the set screws.


Originally Posted by jymontoya
Does your exhaust system now come with chrome tips???

I read this somewhere, and wanted to confirm.

Thanks!
The ones on the system they sent me about two months ago are definitely chrome. I'm a chrome hater, but these ones look more like highly polished stainless to me.

----------------------

edit: I know this is an exhaust for an S and I have a Cooper (see my sig), but it should fit with very little modification.....just need to find time to take it to a good shop.
 
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 05:40 AM
  #556  
Big Daddy's Avatar
Big Daddy
5th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 830
Likes: 1
From: Windsor, ON Canada
Originally Posted by kurvhugr
There should be a mounting point on the front side of the tail pipe, about half way between the muffler and the tip. It's a couple of open loops with set screws. There should have been a bent bracket piece that you feed through loops, adjust to go through the driver's side hanger, and then tighten down with the set screws.
kurvhugr,

Thanks for your response. My system did not come with anything long enough to reach the driver's side hanger. The mounting point you mention above had a piece that hooked into the passenger side hanger only. ALTA? You out there for comment?

Don
 
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 08:00 AM
  #557  
kurvhugr's Avatar
kurvhugr
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 0
From: So. Maryland, USA
Originally Posted by Big Daddy
kurvhugr,

Thanks for your response. My system did not come with anything long enough to reach the driver's side hanger. The mounting point you mention above had a piece that hooked into the passenger side hanger only. ALTA? You out there for comment?

Don
No problem, but I think I need to make sure we're clear on the hanger locations. We non-S owners are a bit handicapped when discussing these things because we only have two rear exhaust hangers (only one muffler, like the single-sided Alta), and they're both on the passenger side.

You have four rubber "hangers," two on the driver's side and two on the passenger side. When I wrote "There should have been a bent bracket piece that you feed through loops, adjust to go through the driver's side hanger ....." I was referring the the driver's side hanger of the two hangers on the passenger side of the car.

You should have one bracket that's welded to the tailpipe on the outside of the curve just aft of the rear muffler - this one hangs the rear of the system from the outermost hanger on the passenger side. The other bracket I described attaches to the inboard passenger side hanger.

Sorry, just wanted to make sure I didn't miscommunicate.
 
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 08:47 AM
  #558  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
While Jeff does spend time here...

Originally Posted by Big Daddy
ALTA? You out there for comment?

Don
the best thing anyone can do with a part issue us to use the phone! Not all of Alta's staff read NAM, and you can bet that the turn around time to get an answer is much shorter with direct lines of communication, rather than posting to the eather....

Just a thought....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:02 PM
  #559  
Big Daddy's Avatar
Big Daddy
5th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 830
Likes: 1
From: Windsor, ON Canada
Thanks everyone. This is no earth-shaking matter. I was a bit confused by kurvhugr's remarks but they are clear as mud now <jk about the mud part> I forgot he was using "Cooper" terminology. It appears from the photo at the top of this page that the S driver side hanger is not being used (as is the case in my install.) It is the only downside I see to this exhaust system. As I stated earlier, I love the sound and look of it. Was just wondering if ALTA or any other Sportone owners have run into an issue like mine.
 
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2006 | 05:32 PM
  #560  
supergimp's Avatar
supergimp
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 345
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles
Everything went well with my install. However, even with the lip on the inside of the box, the screw threads were mounted too far back to bring the lid forward enough to meet the front edge of the enclosure. I had about a 1/8" gap between the edge of the top and the rubber strip. I had to rebend the hook end of the bracket to allow it to move far enough forward to close the gap.



The thread insert was welded near the rear of the slot in the bracket. Can anyone confirm if this is correct?
 
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2006 | 11:31 AM
  #561  
jaynicholson's Avatar
jaynicholson
5th Gear
20 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
From: Rochester, NY
CIA box top w/ m7 STB?

I already posted this in anyother section, but though I may get a better response over here. I know that others have this combination, but I'm having trouble fitting my m7 STB over the box top.

On the first install attempt the m7 bar wasn't even close to fitting over the box top. There's two bolts on the STB that sit directly above the cai. Due to the design of the STB one of these bolts sticks out the bottom a little bit. I already took a chunk of paint out of the box top.

So last week, while I was installing a DT BPV , I refit my cai to try to gain a bit more clearance....still didn't fit! So, I loosened the bolts that hold the STB onto the shock towers and adjusted the mounting plates the little bit that I could. Still no go! Finally I decided not to use the bolt that holds the box top down and I flattened out the crease in the top a little bit. This fits, but it has nowhere near the clearance that I've seen in pictures posted in this forum. In fact, the bolts on the STB still touch the box top a little bit.

Anybody else run into this problem?
 
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 11:25 AM
  #562  
IrishCooper's Avatar
IrishCooper
5th Gear
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 19
From: Bedford, TX.
Sorry but i didnt want to go through 23 pages of stuff to see if this had been asked before but, there is a big discussion about the lightened crank pulley i just bought one of the Alta 0% crank pulleys and im now concerned about disscusions that say that in the long term this pulley could damage the engine due to not having the dampener or harmonic balancer or something.
 
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 12:51 PM
  #563  
HHFD633's Avatar
HHFD633
4th Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 493
Likes: 1
From: Coventry, RI
alta have the color changing tips porblem been corrected? i thought i had read somewhere that the new tips are gold? I hope not. anywho i am now in the market for a second exhaust and was think alta once again but wanted to know if the color issue has been corrected and is there now a second hanger for the tips to keep the stright?
 
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2006 | 01:11 PM
  #564  
gizzer777's Avatar
gizzer777
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by ALTA2
obehave,


gizzer777,
We replaced the brass fittings (not the best color to match the cans) with glass filled nylon fittings. These fittings are 400degree fittings, and are very durable. But they are a pipe fittings, so they are supposed to be tight threading in. WE have only changed this one time?? You make it sound like all the parts are getting cheaper? But because people have asked, we have been including both. Then everyone is happy. Also we send them out to anyone that asks.

The instructions are very clear (reading) but the pictures were an issue with the way they were being replicated. This along with our new website will be on our site for download. So no more issues with pictures.
Thanks for the reply...did not mean to imply anything regarding your quality but I was a bit taken back. I have since purchased your 15% reduction pully and am quite pleased...Keep up the good work
Thanks
jeff
 
Reply
Old Sep 25, 2006 | 03:10 PM
  #565  
ALTAPerformance's Avatar
ALTAPerformance
Former Vendor
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
From: Hillsboro, Oregon
HHFD633: Thank you for asking! Yes all is well! We have changed the tips to a newer design than what is shown above. From the back the tips look identical but they have an internal change which places more emphasis on evening the flow. PLUS they are now stainless steel (which they were before) but also chrome plated, to eliminate any bluing affect to either side. There are adjustable hangers on the inner side to prevent any lateral movement as well as adjust for mfring differences in either the car or the system. (I recently installed a kit on my wifes 06 MCS convertible and it was a breeze. Lined right up no issues no concerns.)

Also, we will be publishing some new dyno testing recently completed that has excellent results not only for the exhaust system but also for other components as well including the catalyst replacement header, intake, etc. Stay tuned!
 
Reply
Old Sep 25, 2006 | 03:26 PM
  #566  
ALTAPerformance's Avatar
ALTAPerformance
Former Vendor
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
From: Hillsboro, Oregon
Gizzer777: Thank you! Glad you are happy with the products and keep us in mind for future items as well.

supergimp: Sorry you are having difficulty. There was some confusion surrounding the instructions on the first batches of tops that were shipped. The forward lip of the top that appears to go over the front of the box below actually tucks into it not over it. This will alleviate any issues with the bracket not aligning with the hole in the box top. Let us know if we can help further! Thank you for your purchases!

Dr Obnxs: Thank you for the support. We are going to try to focus additional attention to this and other threads on the forum board. But telephone or e-mail will facilitate the most direct response.

To ALL: We LOVE to help! Just give us an opportunity too!

If I have missed anyone that didn't get a reply PLEASE let me know either here or to my personal e-mail below.

Thanks again to NAM for allowing us the oppotunity to communicate here!
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 04:24 AM
  #567  
HHFD633's Avatar
HHFD633
4th Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 493
Likes: 1
From: Coventry, RI
way up for alta hearing there customer and make the changes that we are asking for.
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 03:39 PM
  #568  
BlueCooperS's Avatar
BlueCooperS
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 185
Likes: 3
From: Ohio
Originally Posted by IrishCooper
Sorry but i didnt want to go through 23 pages of stuff to see if this had been asked before but, there is a big discussion about the lightened crank pulley i just bought one of the Alta 0% crank pulleys and im now concerned about disscusions that say that in the long term this pulley could damage the engine due to not having the dampener or harmonic balancer or something.
Considering that one of the more vocal opponents of lightened crank pulleys sells lightened harmonic balancers, I don't worry too much. I'd be interested in Alta's opinion too.

I have the lightened 2% pulley with the 15% supercharger pulley, and this is a very sweet combination. It takes the "tallness" out of my 2003 MCS's first gear (no killing the engine), as well as making it just plain punchier.

The only person I've seen have a problem with the pulley was from the belt tensioner slamming the pulley and demolishing it after a belt shredded. Use good belts in your car. The belt tensioner should NOT have rammed into the crank pulley, this was just a weakness of the MINI design.
 
Reply
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 03:53 PM
  #569  
ALTAPerformance's Avatar
ALTAPerformance
Former Vendor
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
From: Hillsboro, Oregon
BlueCooperS: Thank you for your reply and insight. I am not as savvy online as many others to try and find the original, but there is a thread where a engineer from Chrysler posts that during testing they removed the damper and they were unable to increase any wear on the bearings or other internal engine components. It is also a damper not a balancer. A balancer being removed and not being otherwise compensated for can certainly cause issue. But the damper only isolates an annoyance vibration at one particular RPM. But that vibration if not damped will not cause any damage to the engine. Hope that helps!

Thanks again!
 
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 09:17 PM
  #570  
COOPED UP's Avatar
COOPED UP
1st Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
I just bought my Mini Cooper S yesterday and I ordered an Alta 17% pulley. What are the chances of me throwing a belt if that is the only pulley swap that I do? I want to be safe and reliable but still have added performance. Thanks, newly "Cooped Up"
 
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 01:04 AM
  #571  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
VEry small....

Originally Posted by COOPED UP
I just bought my Mini Cooper S yesterday and I ordered an Alta 17% pulley. What are the chances of me throwing a belt if that is the only pulley swap that I do? I want to be safe and reliable but still have added performance. Thanks, newly "Cooped Up"
I haven't heard of failures specifically atributed to 17% pulleys, so you should be fine. Just be careful with the install, or have a place with some experience do the install for you....

HAve fun and enjoy your newfound torque (when the install is done),

Matt
 
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:03 AM
  #572  
apexer's Avatar
apexer
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,344
Likes: 0
From: Uniontown, PA
Originally Posted by COOPED UP
I just bought my Mini Cooper S yesterday and I ordered an Alta 17% pulley. What are the chances of me throwing a belt if that is the only pulley swap that I do? I want to be safe and reliable but still have added performance. Thanks, newly "Cooped Up"
Your odds are good as long as you don't venture into the 6,500 rpm range too often. Perhaps a better choice would be a 15% SC Pulley and a +2% Crank Pulley. More money but safer in the upper revs.
 
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:04 AM
  #573  
ALTAPerformance's Avatar
ALTAPerformance
Former Vendor
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
From: Hillsboro, Oregon
Dr. Obnxs: 2nd That!

COOPED UP: Just be sure that you replace the original belt if it shows any signs of wear, and the same for the tensioner. Be sure to check the belt tension after install to determine if things are all good.

Thanks again!
 

Last edited by ALTAPerformance; Sep 28, 2006 at 08:09 AM. Reason: Spelling
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:18 AM
  #574  
ALTAPerformance's Avatar
ALTAPerformance
Former Vendor
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
From: Hillsboro, Oregon
apexer: Thanks for the reply! But the S/C will be turning at nearly identical speed with the 15+2 or 17%. Boost pressure etc. is the same. Sorry for any confusion.

Thanks again!
 
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2006 | 08:29 PM
  #575  
apexer's Avatar
apexer
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,344
Likes: 0
From: Uniontown, PA
Originally Posted by ALTAPerformance
apexer: Thanks for the reply! But the S/C will be turning at nearly identical speed with the 15+2 or 17%. Boost pressure etc. is the same. Sorry for any confusion.

Thanks again!
I agree but, the radius on the 17% SC Pulley is smaller than the 15% which means the belt is making a tighter bend around the 17% than the 15%. It is the tighter bending radius that has caused belt problems @ higher RPMs with the 19% pulleys. Just makes sense to me that the 15% and +2% combo is easier on the belt.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:30 AM.