Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain A close shave

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 07:06 PM
  #1  
Helix13mini's Avatar
Helix13mini
Thread Starter
|
Former Vendor
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 17
From: Under your car
A close shave

Had a fun one today. I did a cam on a Cooper: my first on the NA car. When I was placing the Schrick in the journals, on a lark, I spun it half-consciously before re-assembling the rocker train. To my amazement, the higher exhaust lobe for cylinder number 1 was hitting the coolant plug in the bowl of the head. There was probably 2mm of interference. What a pisser. Had I just reassebled the car as usual, there would have been some nasty smashing of bits the valve train.

The problem was easily solved. I consulted JLM, and just removed the plug, cleaned up the threads, and put new silicone sealant on it. about two more turns into the bore and presto, no interference. Well, almost no interference. Turns out that another lobe just barely touched one of the spark plug tubes. Nothing a careful whack from a hammer can't solve. Yup, that's helix workmanship: done with a hammer.

The moral of the story is if any of you Cooper folks are doing a cam on your car, give it a spin to make sure you don't scattervalvone (a common Italian malady) all over the inside of your motor.
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 07:19 PM
  #2  
Ryephile's Avatar
Ryephile
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,009
Likes: 32
From: Metro-Detroit
I've done several Camshaft installs - no coolant plug interference yet, but on every one I've had to flat-spot the spark-plug tubes, as they were interfering with the higher lift exhaust lobes.
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 07:47 PM
  #3  
jlm's Avatar
jlm
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 0
From: NY NY
We did have a scary clattering problem after fitting a cam, but it was just the chain tensioner taking its time to pump up.

when assembling engine components we are always close to the jar of moly assembly lube.
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 08:03 PM
  #4  
Ryephile's Avatar
Ryephile
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,009
Likes: 32
From: Metro-Detroit
Moly lube, while essential for assembly, doesn't get rid of interference
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 08:17 PM
  #5  
minimc's Avatar
minimc
5th Gear
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
Originally Posted by Ryephile
Moly lube, while essential for assembly, doesn't get rid of interference
...What? ...you mean its not like KY for engine parts?
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 08:50 PM
  #6  
Ryephile's Avatar
Ryephile
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,009
Likes: 32
From: Metro-Detroit
well it is - but you still can't go putting things where there's no provision for it
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 08:57 PM
  #7  
SwingMCS03's Avatar
SwingMCS03
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 418
Likes: 0
From: Indiana
Wallace and Gromit
 
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2004 | 09:08 PM
  #8  
fishey72's Avatar
fishey72
5th Gear
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 800
Likes: 0
From: Asheville, NC
I always love to hear "bigger" hammer solutions
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 04:09 AM
  #9  
jlm's Avatar
jlm
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 0
From: NY NY
thought we would just add another cam install tip. no other logical connection intended.
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 06:30 AM
  #10  
Helix13mini's Avatar
Helix13mini
Thread Starter
|
Former Vendor
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 17
From: Under your car
Originally Posted by Ryephile
I've done several Camshaft installs - no coolant plug interference yet, but on every one I've had to flat-spot the spark-plug tubes, as they were interfering with the higher lift exhaust lobes.
I've done several on MCSs, with no Interference from the spark plug tubes. Wierd. Did you install Schrick cams? I wonder if there is that much manufacture variation from the Brazilians (maybe only the Monday mornings after Ronaldo connects with Cafu for four goals).
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 07:44 AM
  #11  
jlm's Avatar
jlm
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 0
From: NY NY
or too many caiparinas on the beach
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 08:59 AM
  #12  
andy@ross-tech.com's Avatar
andy@ross-tech.com
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 6
From: Lansdale, PA
Originally Posted by Helix13mini
The moral of the story is if any of you Cooper folks are doing a cam on your car, give it a spin to make sure you don't scattervalvone (a common Italian malady) all over the inside of your motor.
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 09:05 AM
  #13  
Detroit Tuned's Avatar
Detroit Tuned
Vendor - 15 Years
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 36
From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan
yeah eric,

both cams we got from you. one was cooper, one was cooper s, and both had to have flat spots done in the spark plug tubes. everything was golden after a bit of tapping.
 
__________________
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/gallery/data/500/sig36.jpg
www.detroittuned.com ...Making MINIs faster since 2004 Who is DT??? FaceBook


Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 09:06 AM
  #14  
Ryephile's Avatar
Ryephile
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,009
Likes: 32
From: Metro-Detroit
Originally Posted by Helix13mini
I've done several on MCSs, with no Interference from the spark plug tubes. Wierd. Did you install Schrick cams?
Yes Schrick cams. Interference that would hinder rotation on at least one tube every time. The other tubes may range from a brush against to barely clearing. I'd guess the tube install tolerances are about as accurate as their installation (which is with a hammer)
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 09:39 AM
  #15  
Helix13mini's Avatar
Helix13mini
Thread Starter
|
Former Vendor
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 17
From: Under your car
Originally Posted by SwingMCS03
Wallace and Gromit
I do like a bit of Gorgonzola
 
Reply
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 09:48 AM
  #16  
Maximusmini's Avatar
Maximusmini
6th Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
Hey, thats my car you're talking about! Oh Well, No big deal. But hey! It rocks! for a CVT Cooper, now, my plans are mixed. I really do want a Cooper S, but then I have this ticking idea in my head. I'm not giving this one away unless Misfitoy gets to my thought proccesses again.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
monkiboy
MINI Parts for Sale
3
Oct 16, 2015 09:58 AM
pkillur
1st Gear
3
Sep 30, 2015 10:51 AM
Emnotek
Vendor Announcements
0
Sep 29, 2015 07:37 AM
Huskyfan
GP Talk
0
Sep 28, 2015 06:08 PM
Levers_and_Gears
JCW Garage
0
Sep 28, 2015 04:42 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:51 AM.