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Been wondering what happened to you..! Glad to see you are doing well, and still playing with parts.
Visually, looks like you corrected all the bad locations on the OEM tube very nicely. The dyno work above, and the owners driving impressions sound very promising.
So a pipe within another pipe essentially with a gell in between the two pipes thus able to provide a cooling effect.
Ah OK, now I understand
Look , yes it is possible to design and manufacture something like that but....
You don't have space ! The space is so limited.
Secondly I really believe that you will see no difference at all (you might make it even worse) as you will add another thermal barrier.
The IAT reduction (up to 5 degrees Celsius ) we saw it is mainly from the better flow characteristics.
Another thing to consider is that the air inside the charge pipe is not stationary.
The idea you told me works very well in a double wall pin glass for example (weird example ) or solar thermal collectors (similar not exactly like that).
Been wondering what happened to you..! Glad to see you are doing well, and still playing with parts.
Visually, looks like you corrected all the bad locations on the OEM tube very nicely. The dyno work above, and the owners driving impressions sound very promising.
Watching to see your next move..!
Mike
I think this project is done for now. I will make most probably 2 carbon fiber versions from the first charge pipe ( the one with the repositioned throttle body) and send it to UK at John so he can try it. I know we will see nice results but the manufacturing cost is not realistic at all. Thus it will be only as a test exercise.
I already started playing around with front mount intercoolers ideas , but I haven't design anything yet.
Just to tease you guys, it will very very different to what people have done so far... and yes I will make a nice post explaining everything !
Hello to everyone, sorry for the lack of updates. I did stop for a while updating the project and focus on some design details, logging, 3D printing quality and actual driving my car with the pipe on.
So the story...:
A couple of months ago, someone from England (John) text me on Facebook asking details concerning the charge pipe. Yadda yadda yadda I end up sending for free a charge pipe in UK so John can do all the testing along side with 1320 MINI.
Basic Spec:
Material: carbon fiber reinforced nylon.
Manufacturing Method: 3D Printing
Fitment: Plug and play, no cuts or modifications needed. All necessary hardware is included.
And this is exactly what I sent to England. (*By the way this is charge pipe version 5.)
Below you can see side by side photos of my charge pipe and the OEM Unit.
On 2/9/2020 John, went to 1320 MINI.
The vehicle was loaded on the dyno with the OEM charge pipe. Result 233.9 whp and 186.2wtq. OK so that's our base line. (I have to say John has a really really fast MINI)
Off the dyno and the installation of my charge pipe started.
Charge pipe in !
And another side by side view.
And with that … back on the dyno!!
First three runs was with the same tune and only difference the TPE Precision charge pipe, resulting in 237.3 whp and 187.6 wtq.
Below the dyno run. But....
the 1320 MINI team saw that the AFR value was off (that's what I did not take into account into my own testing....) , thus more power was on the table.
After tuning, the car made 240.5 whp and 189.4 wtq!!!
Of course numbers along are half the truth, as the car gained whp and wtq in the whole RPM range!! And yes you can feel the difference on the road!
Additionally to the above we saw reduction in IATs from 3 to 5 degrees and increased boost pressure of up to 1 psi.
I have a detailed blog post into my website (yeap i did that as well ) but I am not going to upload it here as I do not want to be considered an advertisement.
I spoke many times with the owner of the car and he is extremely happy with the results and the way the car feels. John drives his car everyday and does many trackdays every year so I respect his opinion a lot.
What do you think?
Do you like it so far ? Comments and suggestions are more than welcome !
Have a nice day,
George .
This is fantastic news, and congratulations. How can I get your version 5 kit as well please. My setup can benefit greatly from this as well.
Hello guys. Sorry for not replying , I didnt want to make it look like an "ad". But as you find it yourself I think its fine.
Actually there two dealers in USA having my products.
Below you can see my dealers. https://www.tpeprecision.com/partners
*people from USA can not order directly from me.
If you need any help or you have questions please feel free to ask me.
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No you will not see any different at all.
As it is compare to OEM there is a reduction 3 to 5 degrees C.
Mmm, on one hand, a lot of around town, during 90+° days, I'd say yes, it may help to have a heat reflective tape in the pipe. But during this driving, would it be of much of any real benefit ?
On the other hand, on the freeway, in the mountains, where the highflow pipe will actually do the most good in the first place, I doubt it would help much as the air will be moving much too fast to pick up much if any heat at all in that short of a distance.
On the "third" hand, coming out of the Aerospace Industry, and things that I've learned and am used to...I'd probably wrap it..! Using a coupla, three or four layers of the "gold" mylar. One layer won't do much on it's own.
Mmm, on one hand, a lot of around town, during 90+° days, I'd say yes, it may help to have a heat reflective tape in the pipe. But during this driving, would it be of much of any real benefit ?
On the other hand, on the freeway, in the mountains, where the highflow pipe will actually do the most good in the first place, I doubt it would help much as the air will be moving much too fast to pick up much if any heat at all in that short of a distance.
On the "third" hand, coming out of the Aerospace Industry, and things that I've learned and am used to...I'd probably wrap it..! Using a coupla, three or four layers of the "gold" mylar. One layer won't do much on it's own.
Mike
Hi Mike,
A customer tried, we didnt see any real gains .
Most probably it will help when stationary for long time as you said. But then again once you apply a bit of throttle it will cool down fast.
From previous testing (but for tubes out of metal) I saw exactly that.
I'm constantly wondering about these kind of upgrades..how awesome people are now doing this..
I wish sooooooooo bad I could buy one of these charge pipes , how awesome. Lol I need a new charge pipe and I hate having to put that oem junk back on after seeing this beauty .
there are a few people tuning, and several aftermarket ECUs available but IMO they are privative and lack protections for things like knock and do not even have cruise control
If...I can, I'd rather do it myself.
Having someone else do the work is like buying a "self" tuning ECU. I'd like to be able to do things that some tuners don't.
Sorta like a few years back, I argued with a guy in the EU about ignition timing. We went back nd forth for MANY months. All of a sudden, I stopped hearing from him in direct emails. Then about the same time, in his posts in two different forums...he was NOW...touting the benefits of ignition timing.
Thought I'd bump up this thread because it is an update on an @P.E part that has been in development for a good while now and looks like it is getting close to being finalized.
Just saw the recent TPE news concerning the intake manifold this morning.
Snap I was unaware of this. Day one buy. Wonder if the creator has interest in strapping it to my very um...uniquwe build. Would go great with my current project!
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) or solar thermal collectors (similar not exactly like that). 
, but I haven't design anything yet. 
