I was just curious to find out how much hp u think a base model MCS would take to get a 13 sec 1/4 mile.

 

240+ to the wheels

w/ drag radials
w/ stripped interior
w/ empty tank
w/ a lightweight skilled driver
w/ a serious tail wind.
w/ a prayer

 

you forgot:

downhill

 

Jeff as a driver:

http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html

 

First we needed a tailwind and a prayer, then we see less than 13.99 Seconds demonstrated.

Thanks again for the voice of reason Andy.

 

I am sure that a 210-220 whp car will hit higher 13s.

Alex

 

Nope.

 

Yep!

I think it can be done. Most of the people in Andy's database do not have very good 0-60' times, so reaction is quite bad, even as bad as one second.

Also, that is a real 220hp to the wheel. This is the same hp rating as Randy gets in his car, with every conceivable option (except NOS). Jeff broke 14seconds without NOS, so how much was he putting to the wheels and what did he have on his car that Randy doesn't have to make it go so much faster.

220 hp to the wheels is almost the same hp/weight ratio as the GTO, which easily beats 14seconds. Granted we are not rear wheel drive which gives some disadvantage, but not enough in my opinion to not break 14seconds.

 

I would add that a LSD might help a bit since I think that less power loss to the wheels would be a good thing. Too much wheelspin = slower 1/4 mile.

Patrick

 

To get that sort of low time you'd need-

A great start (fast reaction times required-practice up!)
Really good sticky and light wheels- 15x7" with 225/45-15 tires
Quaife Limited slip differential with 12 pound lightweight flywheel
Super light weight- get rid of everything not needed
About 220 HP at the wheels should do the trick.

 

Comparing to the GTO (hp/weight) is just not that easy. The GTO is a rear wheel drive torque monster.


Getting a "good" 60' time is next to impossible with the MINI. Two major factors come into play. Heat in the IC and traction. If you do a burnout to get traction, you get exccesive heat build up in the IC because you are stationary. It is a catch-22.

Even with low R/T's ( .3's) I have yet to get a 60' time under 2.2ish. I have made more than 60 1/4 mile passes with this car.


So, I still say "nope"....until someone produces a dyno sheet and a time slip for the same vehicle.

 

im gonna agree and backup dgszweda1 here. i think 220hp to the wheels could do it. with everything else set up to run that time i think it could be done. i still dont understand how my friends intergra with 240hp to the wheels can run a really low time but everyone talks these mini's down. hopefully ill be able to break into the 13's with mine. ive already talked to bbr about sending over a 275hp kit

 

I dont know for sure since I have never done any official 1/4 mile passes, but my car keeps up with alot of cars doing high 13s - low 14s according to this list:

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc....asp?dist=1320

Ive beaten SRT-4, Boxster S, 350Z, and an E36 M3. I think with some lighter wheels and stickier tires I could probably get it into the high 13s.

 

...until then, it's all internet racing. Nobody has come close to breaking 13's except for Jeff. On that pass, he was running a heavily tweaked car, and my bet is it was putting north of 220 to the wheels. Unless you strip this car down to motor and shell, 210-220 just won't cut it.

The difference between running a 14.5 and a 13.99 is HUGE. Much more then many people realize, especially to people who don't run the quarter.


By the way, anyone going to New England Dragway on Sat.? IHRA Nationals...I'm goin'.

 

For the record:

G-tech and others don't count. Tree to trap only.

 

Ya, I gotta get out to sears point sometime to get some official times.

 

Bisch,

if I look at Andy's list some of the cars with mods are not even at 200hp to the wheels and running 14.22. Given a good driver I believe it is doable. Unless you tell me that with 19% no ECU exhaust and header + intake you have 200whp.

BTW...the question was about 13.99 and mid 13s.

Alex

 

[QUOTE=AlexN] Unless you tell me that with 19% no ECU exhaust and header + intake you have 200whp.

QUOTE]

yes.

 

A big nitrous shot and slicks.

 

So basically your telling me my only hope is to spend as much money as possible on my car, strip it, wait for the perfect conditions, and then get towed by a viper right? That is kinda a downer.

 

[QUOTE=Bisch]Ok...you are telling me after all the discussion we are having here about exhausts, headers, intakes and the posted number that they are supposed to produce or not that you actually gained 62hp with those mods? With a 12% loss we are looking at about 225hp and the crank. How much power does the 19% pulley make then?

Alex

 

From that list provided above, I think by JCampos, how many on that list are sub 14 seconds, and FWD? I would venture to guess not a whole lot. And I bet nothing with a small 1.6 l.

Couple those things with our beloved yo-yo sluggish start, and not the most ideal gearing for such an event, it will not be easy or cheap to make her into what she is not...

That being said, I've spent a fair amount of money, and I would be quite happy to someday see 13's...

 

Bisch,

I am betting that Jeff never got north of 220hp. Randy has way more on his car than Jeff, with over $15,000 worth of pure engine performance parts, and Randy has only ever gotten 220hp to the wheels. Your argument about the IC is mute, because we never said the IC had to be stock. A water to air intercooler could still be added. You said plain and simple 220hp to the wheels. The fact that you can't break 2.2seconds doesn't mean anything. Other people have, and it can be done, you just have to be really good at it.

If you strip the car to motor and shell with 220hp at the wheels, you would be very, very fast. The car can be stripped to about 1800lbs. I know someone who has gotten it down to 2200lbs and it still isn't totally stripped (like dashboard, door panels, carpet...) Unfortunately my car doesn't have 220hp at the wheels and it isn't stripped, so I can prove it. But I think with the fact that Jeff has beat it without nitrous, and I am not aware of any other part available that Randy doesn't have (and he has dyno sheets) then I think it can be beat.

 

After reading this post I figured I wouldl respond Since I know Jeff personally and have Been to the track with him Many times. His MINI put down 258 to the wheels with Nitrous (50 shot). He ran with out a back seat, but had leather, and a sunroof, 15" rota slipstreams, and drag radials 15% pulley, Cam, Header, Exhuast and Intake. He was not able to run the Mini on Drag slicks since it screws with the tire pressure monitor and messes the car up in someway (No exactly sure on that though). He had issues with traction and getting a front wheel drive car to hit 2.0 sixty foot times is very hard to do. Weather conditions, Track conditions and suspension play a major role as well.


Jeff is one of the best quarter mile drivers I have ever scene. he has taken many a friends car and run better in it on 1 pass than they have been able after owning and drag racing the car for months. He drives car's that do high 9 second quarter miles (Viper, modded Porsches) with just drag radilas at the track (full interior, regular suspension,).

Just giving some facts.

P.s. He was kind of wishing he had his MINI back last week at the track.

P.S My mini with 168whp (14.9 car) ran with a SRT4 Neon(13.8 car) on the highway. Once moving things are allot different then from a standing stop.

 

I ran my car last night at atco with the following mods:

Helix 19%
HAI
One Ball exhaust
Psi-Fi Piggyback ecu
420cc injectors

Heres the breakdown of the run:

60ft- 2.443
1/8- 9.679
1/8 trap- 76.69
1/4- 14.768
1/4 trap- 96.61

I was getting some baselines of the car before we put the stock pulley back on it and the turbo system. The biggest problem I see with this car are 1st and 2nd gear and the cars ability to put the power to the ground. I was playing with different launch points and it was either boggy-lag or tire frying on stock size street tires...Funny thing is either way netted me a 2.4 60 ft . Stickier tire compounds are definitely going to be needed to get this cars et's down. With the 60fts we achieve on the SRT-4's(1.8's) this car would have been low 14's last night. there are a few things I see as glaring problems with the suspension as far as drag racing is concerned and we'll try to address that in the near future. With the turbo we plan on running 12's, with the kind of power we are expecting to make and the ability to run different boost/power levels in different gears achieving this may in fact be easier than pushing alot of boost on the supercharger. while lessening some of thermal load on the intercooler at low speeds.

Just a note we are co-developing this kit for Helix to distribute. Please consider any of my posts to fall under the umbrella of Helix minisports. As per Eric I can field technical questions regarding the Turbo Kit.