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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 08:55 AM
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Operation Intercooler Kooler...

In the spirit of continuing home-brewed ideas, I introduce....the Intercooler Kooler!

This idea could only be possibly by use of the Hot Air Intake. (Thanks Andy and cheese). This is just a working prototype, so please, no comments on the appearance.
The idea here is to assist the intercooler in efficiency while the vehicle is stopped, prior to launch. As we know, without airflow, the top-mount intercooler begins to bake quickly. When accelerating from a dead stop, this means much less power until sufficient airflow is achieved.

This device uses a 170 cfm tunnel blower, and the oem intake piping. The oem scoop that is removed from above the radiator is inserted upside down and under the intercooler exit snoot. This draws airflow through the intercooler by suction. The blower then routes the air through the oem piping that was originally connected aft of the scoop above the radiator. The piping is inserted through a hole in the plastic back panel (behind oem airbox), and directed upward and out the vents just in front of the driver side of the windshield. Are you following me?
Here are some pics...don't laugh!






Obviously the aluminum duct tape and wiring, mounting and other tweaks need to be made...
So now comes the question "how well does it work?"

I do not have any numbers because I don't have a digital temp probe to measure IAT's. I can tell you that after a 20-30 second "blow" while sitting staging, it cooled the intercooler to the touch quite a bit. I used my intercooler water sprayer to wet the intercooler, and then used the blower. This produced the best results.
This blower also removes a lot of hot air from the engine compartment. perfect for us with the HAI set-up. We tend to suck all that hot air into the intake until forward motion is achieved.

Thoughts, comments? I know it looks like hell, but that's just a matter of cosmetic clean-up.
It intrigued a few WRX guys, as they have a factory top-mount as well.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:02 AM
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What perverted type of automotive science are you practicing here?


No, it actually looks pretty good. I think there is some cleanup and some little tweaks you can perform to make it even more efficient. I think if you had a blower it would add to the affect. I am into high end computer modding as well. And these chips make some high temps. The key is total flow. Not just sucking the air over the components, but also blowing it over the components.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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To quote Parker Posey as Meg Swan in BEST IN SHOW, "What are you? A wizard, a genius?"Good to see a brother keepin' it real. Nice going.

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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:13 AM
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Good stuff! As long as it doesn't interfere with airflow while underway, you may have a hit on your hands.

I think it's time you buy a pair of these digital gauges to do some data acquisition:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=23248

Mine have stood up wonderfully and provided tons of useful data.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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Reverse flow is an option, and maybe a better one. As I had no data aquisition instruments, I was not inclined to try.


It doesn't affect the IC air flow much, if any.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Good work Bisch! Ingenious creativity. I think you are indeed onto something here...

I'm just waking-up here (my out in case I say something wrong ), but I think I see a way to refne this design a bit more. It would seem that by drawing from the hotter intake snoot area it should be "better" in that the IC would be left with cooler air to start with. The way it is now, your system is taking-out the air at or near the exit side which should be relatively cooler, even when standing or at rest as compared ot the intake side which sees higher temps. I realize that by using stock plumbing (novel idea) you were limited though in terms of placement...

Kudos to you!

Oh, since this thing is sucking the hotter air out, I'm not sure putting it in the cowl area is ultimately the best solution. I think when hot and cool areas collide, as we see in weather daily, wind is generated. And if I'm not mistaken, the cooler more dense air will try to move toward the space of less density - the warmer area. If that is so (science was only a minor for me), then the natural airflow will be working against your fan. If I'm wrong, it would be working with your fan. And if indeed that is a higher pressure area under driving conditions (cowl), that wouldn't be beneficial. I realize that this was not designed for driving situations, but I bet it can be made useful there as well, and if so, dumping into the cowl area might not be the ideal first choice. My first thought is to direct it down and out, like over the header. While the air is warm, in relation to the header, you'd be cooling it :smile: .

Good stuff!
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyB
It would seem that by drawing from the hotter intake snoot area it should be "better" in that the IC would be left with cooler air to start with. The way it is now, your system is taking-out the air at or near the exit side which should be relatively cooler, even when standing or at rest as compared ot the intake side which sees higher temps. I realize that by using stock plumbing (novel idea) you were limited though in terms of placement...

Kudos to you!
Thanks Tony,
Believe it or not, my original idea was to have two of these blowers running in paralell. One drawing air from each side of the intercooler, and exiting below...then I got hung up on the idea of using the empty space where the oem airbox was...then came the exit path through the top vent.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:40 AM
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Good ideas, guys!!!!!! That are in front of the cowl is definitely high pressure!

I think routing in down and out would be preferable, but who knows for sure! ?
Keep up the fine R & D work ! and......don't forget to keep us all posted !
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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Bisch- get a patent NOW!!! Great tangible idea.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Nice...good thinking Does the intercooler Kooler get hot?


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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pbraun
That are in front of the cowl is definitely high pressure!

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It is only high pressure at speed. This device is used at a stand-still, or through first gear at best.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by samawil
Does the intercooler Kooler get hot?


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It only gets as hot as the rest of the components in the engine bay. As soon as you turn it on ( I have it wired to a momentary-on switch in the cockpit), the airflow cools the device quickly. If you are asking if the fan motor gets hot...no. It is a "bullet" design, so the airflow around the motor cools the motor.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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Bisch,

What stops you from using an extra airconditioning vent? Have a switch that bypasses two of the interior vents to shoot out under the IC? No drain on the system because you would be standing still anyway.

In theory we have liquid intercooler already, the only problem is that it is geared to cool the interior of the car. This is basically what the F150 SVT does, so I don't think the idea is that undoable. It was able to generate 30-50hp for that application.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:20 AM
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[QUOTE=dgszweda1]Bisch,

What stops you from using an extra airconditioning vent?QUOTE]

I would think that the excess heat generated by the a/c compressor and radiator would negate a lot of the benefit. I dunno. Besides, if you have your a/c on while at the dragstrip, you will get a talkin' to. They DO NOT want them on at all, even while sitting in line. The a/c pours condensation water out all over the track...very dangerous.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:20 PM
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OMG. Wait until you see what I have come up with for next week! I think I have just figured out a ram air/cold air intake that could be used in conjunction with that Cryo2 spray system I installed so long ago.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 06:49 AM
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Do you have a source and part number for the blower?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
Do you have a source and part number for the blower?
Here is where I bought it from...# DET 7-5-4-RC
http://www.boatfix.com/bypage3.asp?page=602
 
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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Operation Intercooler: Pics please

Hi Folks,
MinMax here. Is is possible that someone could post the pics from this thread, showing the mod again. They're not showing up for me, and I'd like to check into this mod. Sorry I missed it the first time, work has finally slowed down enough to afford me the time to do some lookin' around.
Thanks,
Cheers!
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Old May 20, 2006 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MinMax
Hi Folks,
MinMax here. Is is possible that someone could post the pics from this thread, showing the mod again. They're not showing up for me, and I'd like to check into this mod.
Bump. Same here this sounds like a neat mod, but without photos its kind of hard to follow.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 05:42 AM
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Can you re-post the pics - for some reason I can't see them.

PS - Andy - nice to see youu are alive and well.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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Bart, the posts are from last year. Andy remains MIA.
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 07:14 AM
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No pics!?
 
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Old May 20, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 62Lincoln
Bart, the posts are from last year. Andy remains MIA.
2002
 
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