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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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G35 v. MCS

What do you think would win? I'm talking about a G35 automatic with intake and test pipes (cat-delete pipes) on an otherwise stock motor and a stock G35 6MT. MCS would be 'slightly' modded. Let me define 'slightly'... HAI, 19% pulley, larger injectors, and GIAC. Who do you think would win? I personally think the MCS would beat the automatic G35 but lose to the G35 6MT. Now add headers (with race cat) and cat-back exhaust. Would the results be any different? I think with a full exhaust added to the mix it would keep up with, if not overtake the G35 6MT...

What is your input on this? Any of you with modded MCS's that are close (as far as performance mods) to what i mentioned above actually race a G35? I ask this because I will be in the market for an MCS soon and plan on doing the mods mentioned. Two of my friends have G35's (as described above) and i would like to see where i would be at in terms of 0-60 and most importantly quarter mile.

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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it's no fun to bench-race.

just go out and do it.

but keep in mind that the g35 is pretty much a 350Z with nicer things.

with that, i will close with the least helpful piece of advice i've given so far:

"depends on the drivers"

good luck.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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What are we talking here? Straight track or road course? I still think the MINI will whomp most takers in a twisty course!


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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethereal
What do you think would win? I'm talking about a G35 automatic with intake and test pipes (cat-delete pipes) on an otherwise stock motor and a stock G35 6MT. MCS would be 'slightly' modded. Let me define 'slightly'... HAI, 19% pulley, larger injectors, and GIAC. Who do you think would win? I personally think the MCS would beat the automatic G35 but lose to the G35 6MT. Now add headers (with race cat) and cat-back exhaust. Would the results be any different? I think with a full exhaust added to the mix it would keep up with, if not overtake the G35 6MT...

What is your input on this? Any of you with modded MCS's that are close (as far as performance mods) to what i mentioned above actually race a G35? I ask this because I will be in the market for an MCS soon and plan on doing the mods mentioned. Two of my friends have G35's (as described above) and i would like to see where i would be at in terms of 0-60 and most importantly quarter mile.

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if its only 0-60 ir quatermile, any G35 will still outdrag a mini, minis are not built for the drag strip, their long gearing doesn't help it either

now, tracking, that maybe a different story, speeds are higher and the mini's intercooler can better keep the engine cool... on the track though, my money's still on a G35

now.. autocross, throw in a tight course, and the mini starts to excel!

so the bottom line is that no matter how much you want it to, a mini will probably never out-drag a G35 (of coze, el would disagree with me here!)

if you want a mini to out-drag a G35, get twincharge!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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now.. autocross, throw in a tight course, and the mini starts to excel!
This is what I meant in my post above! The MINI doesn't just START to excel.....it rocks!


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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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A G35 would spank your MCS at the drag strip. Sorry, it's just the facts. RWD and that fantastic V6 is too much for a go kart like ours...

HOWEVER, at Steets of Willow, a local track, I keep up with (and sometimes beat) my friend's EVO 8, and he's got 400hp and suspension modifications

Take em to your local track and show them what REAL performance is
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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See now i don't see why a mini couldn't out-drag a G35...The automatic G35 runs a 14.7 quartermile time with a 5.7? 0-60, and a G35 6MT runs a 14.2 quartermile time with a 5.3? 0-60... I'm pretty confident that a mini with the mods listed could run low-mid 14s (14.3-14.5) (with a good driver of course)... Anyone else have any input?

These quartermile times beg to differ with the input so far...
http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html
 

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 07:59 PM
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I agree........ the G35 is an overbloated 350Z. Not a race car.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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i used to have a 2004 350z, a 2004 MCS and i currently have a regular 2005 MC. actually the new 2005 G35 has more horses than the 2005 350Z. and from driving the Z, your MCS with any mod you want to put on it would get bit$h slapped by the g35 in a drag race. go test drive the G35 or better yet the 350Z. that will pretty much answer your question. the torque on the VQ V6 motor is unbelievable.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by flav
i used to have a 2004 350z, a 2004 MCS and i currently have a regular 2005 MC. actually the new 2005 G35 has more horses than the 2005 350Z. and from driving the Z, your MCS with any mod you want to put on it would get bit$h slapped by the g35 in a drag race. go test drive the G35 or better yet the 350Z. that will pretty much answer your question. the torque on the VQ V6 motor is unbelievable.
ANY MOD?
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:54 PM
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[QUOTE=flav]your MCS with any mod you want to put on it would get bit$h slapped by the g35 in a drag race. QUOTE]

Evidently you're unaware of the Twincharge mod. That G35 hasn't a prayer, nor the Z for that matter. In a rolling accel on a highway in Philly one twincharged car left an M-coupe in its wake. ...It wasn't a surprise attack either, the 'rolling drag' was planned and executed - no holds barred!

What's that you were saying?

Where's that El diablito guy when you need him
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:54 PM
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Speak of the...
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
ANY MOD?
Let me guess... Just a little more cowbell, right?
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:57 PM
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damn you are good... was just getting ready for

MORE COWBELL
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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a new vette saw this......


 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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ok,ok not any mod. but certainly with only the mods the original poster suggested would leave the mini in the dust.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
damn you are good... was just getting ready for

MORE COWBELL
Why thank you El!

Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
a new vette saw this......


You seriously need a rear facing digi-videocam! ...The looks on peoples faces (captured for posterity) would be priceless.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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it would have captured some priceless moments.......
an EVO VIII came up the other day in heavy traffic and gave the especially after he heard the BOV scream.....
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kyriian
any G35 will still outdrag a mini, minis are not built for the drag strip, their long gearing doesn't help it either
Originally Posted by flav
your MCS with any mod you want to put on it would get bit$h slapped by the g35 in a drag race.
I just blew the doors off one a couple times this weekend on the way to the track..his lisence plate read I8ABMR(saw it as I approached him, that was the last time too)......he was kewl though...he threw his hand out the window with a peace sign as we departed...
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
a new vette saw this......


Yo, El D! Is that exhaust pipe a modded cowbell!? It's AWESOME!
And to all those doubters, I think the MINI would be awesome on a rally course...never said a dragstrip! LOL!! Not enough grunt....


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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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CLO..... You have become ONE with the Cowbell
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
CLO..... You have become ONE with the Cowbell
Oooooh...I even listened to "Lowrider" in Wanda today....AWESOME cowbell!!!!!!


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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 11:41 PM
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I have a mildly modded G35C and MCS but I can't drive both at the
same time, so not sure who would win. ...nor do I care to find out.

The MCS is a much more accurate and sportier ride than the G35C
without a doubt, but the G35C has other qualities in the car that
can not be duplicated by the MCS.

How I look at it, G35C is a nice dressup car with tasteful lines
and exciting exhaust tone, more of a quiet, mature cruiser type car...
while the MCS is a super fun to drive, nible sports-car like coupe
in a fun, unique package. If I was going to the track, I would
take out my MCS without a doubt. If I was going to a classy
dinner party with the wife, I'll the the G35C out.

how's that for comparison? :smile:
 
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
how's that for comparison? :smile:
Excellent! Thanks! :smile:


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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 12:17 AM
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ive read so much about twincharge???? what is that is that a cross from a a supercharger and turbocharger? is there a kit for that, and if so how much and where can i get one!! and whats the HP or WHP for that!!! i need to know!

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