saw these on a website and thought they were interesting...

one is PILO rear stress bar knock-off :

http://gennexmotorsport.com/main.php?car=1



and the other is very wild looking intake:

http://gennexmotorsport.com/main.php?car=1&id=131



anyone heard anything about this intake?



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I'm convinced that company (person?) just looks through posts here, steals the images, misinterprets the parts and data, and puts them on their website. Example:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...mp;topic=26351

 

GruppeM intake is very trick. uses only K&N filters. they are very expensive ($900) and very popular in the BMW tuner world. never saw or heard anything about how much power they make, but i do know you can order either all carbon, or carbon/kevlar.

 

Yeah, I wish I could whatever language they use, because I am sure that there are some 'interesting' products described.

 

Please note that we DO NOT and will not sell these products...

 

Gruppe M is sooooo overrated, their intakes for the Modena, Civic Type-R and 911 GT3 don't make anywhere near the power gains advertised. About all it's good for is to open your hood and point and tell people you've got a carbon fiber intake, and to some people that's all that matters.

 

Gruppe M is one of the best intakes you can get, that's why it costs so much. The carbon fiber looking good is just a plus.

 

You realize this thread is four years old right?

 

Yes, I know, I just wanted to tell my opinion on the Gruppe M, since I've seen many bad posts on it without having even mounted it. I don't have on my car yet (but I'll have it soon), but at least I've seen it on a friend's car and I can tell you good looks aren't all what it offers.

 

what makes it "one of the best intakes" ?

 

What else does it offer that other intakes don't (other than the cf?

I'm not really familiar with this intake and would like to know why you say that it's one of the best without having it installed in your car.

 

it lightens your wallet more than the other systems thereby making you that much faster. Gruppe M = overpriced bling.

 

Replying to both of you in one single post, , I say it is one of the best intakes because I've seen it on my friend's car and if I don't remember bad, the rolling road showed a 6 hp increase on a MC, which is pretty high if you ask me (considering we are talking about a MC, not MCS). Plus, I've read many saying the carbon fiber doesn't isolate from heat, but from what I know, it does, and thus the Gruppe M airbox allows cooler air to reach the filter.

Now mind you, I'm talking about the MC intake, I've no experience with the MCS one, but the MC one also has the possibility to be tuned, through a remap, to a particular range of RPMs, thanks to an opening on the right side of the airbox (the external side, toward the wheel), which is another opening for air to enter the airbox (and being located farther from the engine, the air will be cooler). This is why I consider it one of the best possible systems on the market.

Now, does all of this justify spending 1,000$ on it? Probably not, but if you happen to find it used at less than half the price...then it can be interesting.

 

$1000 for 6hp? You can get a multitude of intakes that will give you, say, 5hp for about $200.

 

That's not completely true. Overpriced? Yes. Useless? Definitely not.

I forgot to add to my previous post, many say that open filter systems work better, or the same, of the Gruppe M if you add an anti-heat shield. Have you ever considered that most of these shields are metallic, and metals are often transmitters of heat? So this shield will protect the cone from the heat of the engine, yes, but it still will give heat to the air surrounding the metal of the shield. Now, there's air on both sides of it, right? So part of the air around the cone will be heated by the metal shield too.

This is why metal shields are less effective than many think.

 

Did you read what I wrote, or not? I'm talking of a 6 hp increase on a MC, not a MCS. Find me a system that gives 6 hp increase on a MC for less. I honestly don't know any.

On a MCS, things are different, in fact the Gruppe M claims to give 12 hp, whcih I don't know if it's true.

 

yep. you come on, bumping OLD threads, praising a product that's not even the same as the one being discussed here. You might want to start a thread in the proper forum if you want to talk about the MC version.

 

On this, you're right. I'd come here out of curiosity to see if someone else had mounted it on their MC to see what they thought of it, and searching in the forums I found this thread.

 

Well i'll tell you of one.

A K&N Panel

I took my old Cooper to a Dyno Dynamics rolling road, ran it on the RR until we got a repeatable baseline, then i changed the airfilter (whilst it was still strapped down) and ran it again until i got a repeatable baseline.

Net gain of 7BHP

 

A panel gave you 7 bhp? Never seen one give so much...

 

how many have you seen?

 

From being a NAM participant, I have learned the following about CAIs.

two components -

1) the filter - represents MOST of any HP gained.
2) the box - ALL boxes absorb some heat to different degrees based on material. None have been proven to absorb less heat than the stock box. Nor has it been measured if the box itself adds HP. Having said that the box selection is really about "looks/ personal appeal".

You really gotta LOVE this box to shell out a GRAND.

 

Many MINI owners I know have fitted panels and no one claimed a 7 bhp gain...

 

While this is true, there's another parameter to take into account, which is the dimension of the box, if it is bigger than the stock airbox it allows more air into the box itself at any moment and thus more air into the engine. Since we all know that a more permeable filter allows more air in the engine and thus gives the HP gain, it can be debated that a bigger airbox like the Gruppe M (even if not by much) CAN add hp.

The fact the price is exaggeratedly high still remains, though

 

I don't agree about the size of the box what is important is air availability to be drawn. This is the main reason why so many systems open up the back to provide not only more air access but a less constrictive draw.

This box does change the air feed - possibly larger (don't know) and perhaps shorter distance - all good.