This is to reach out to TheBigChill and thank him and others who were to the point in this thread. I read all 475 posts, which took me all day. Thank you. My original goal was to find out which 550cc would be best for my application, based upon others experience. I learned a lot but the end result giving me the Bosch part number provided by TheBigChill narrowed my manufacturer and part number down. I am ordering a set of 4 tomorrow. I will not explaining why I am using the 550's because it has been extensively covered in this thread (trust me, it is not overkill). I know I will have to tune and will be using the AEM AEM 30-1910 piggyback for the EMS mod map. In return for the information this thread provided, I can add one addition which I do not think was covered. My vendor, who sells about 600 of these a month, says after his main buyer flow tested several sets, they do not bother testing anymore because they are so precisely made. FWIW. I may flow test them anyway because I am way too ****. Safe travels.

 

No problem, man. I've been an owner, enthusiast and fiddler of primarily forced induction cars for ~15 years now, and it bothered me to see just how much the MINI community was paying for injectors, and how vendors simply re-sold and branded OEM parts. With a little research and concerted effort by members, we now have a few more choices for far less money; that's what it's all about

 

I got the volvo T5 injectors off ebay in October and had them cleaned and flowed at deatschwerks.

All 5 flowed in 410cc+/- 1to2 cc at 3.5bar. (from memory, the sheet is in my tool box somewhere). So they have a bit of overhead on the JCW380cc injectors.

I installed the 4 that most closely matched, i used FAST adapters p/n:170603-1 (at the time cheapest direct form the manufacture)

I have been running well with the stock tune since then and i am scheduled for the JCW210 tune this Monday.

Over all i am happy with the upgrade and haven't had any issues, codes or problems otherwise. As for the tune i just haden't made the time to get it done.


-Jonathan

 

Good to hear. Just as a reminder: the JCW units flow 380cc at 3bar, not 3.5. Somewhere in this giant thread are the flow and pattern characterization results for both JCW 380 and standard R53 injectors, provided by a NAM member who so graciously paid for the tests. If I recall correctly, the JCW 380cc units also flowed ~407cc with 3.5bar applied, so these are nearly identical.

When people name injectors as "XXXcc", it's industry standard to do so with 3bar fuel pressure pushing them. This applies to our "380" and "340" (not 330...) injectors as well.

 

The JCW flowed 399cc at 3.5bar in post 164 of this thread, that is why i said they have a bit of over head.

Thanks for pointing it out though for those who haven't read the entire thread.


-Jonathan

 

Good digging, and thanks for the reminder. I don't have the energy to pull info out of this monster thread anymore, haha; I've spent an inordinate of time in it...

 

I haven't had much luck finding any of the used Bosch 380cc injectors (0280158096) from the Volvo T5 turbo or Ford Focus ST 225 European cars.

Does anyone know where I can get some besides ebay? I haven't had much luck finding them on there......

 

If you're using the US based Ebay, the trick is to search for injectors from Volvo specific cars. I listed those cars somewhere in this thread, but can recall a few off the top of my head.

Post #354 on page 15 has Volvo models and years that carry these injectors. Also note that 0280158025 is an identical replacement for the 0280158096 units. Both perform identically and are offered interchangeably by Volvo.

American Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosch-Volvo-OEM-V-50-fuel-injectors-2-5L-50-injectors-available-/181671525007?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3AC30&hash=item2a4c777a8f&vxp=mtr (you can even read the part# on the injector body)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/04-10-VOLVO-S40-8653892-5-CYL-30677625-W-TURBO-1-FUEL-INJECTOR-0280158025-/161608044747?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3AC30&hash=item25a09710cb&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VOLVO-S40-V50-05-07-FUEL-INJECTOR-0280158096-86538910-261230110-/271255372727?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f281483b7&vxp=mtr

UK Ebay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus...item4861ad7136

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus...item259eac4602

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-ford-...item4ae44eeb25

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mondeo-MK4...item2edd639a4d

 

Thanks! I've been looking for 0280158096 not 0280158025. Hopefully I can track down some nice ones at a good price.

 

Just ordered 4 of these guys.....$118.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18167152500

And I found 4 of the USCAR to Jetronic pigtail type adapters for $17 shipped.

Cheap way to find out if 380cc injectors will make an 03' JCW R53 with the JCW200hp tune and 340cc injectors run better. (they didn't start using 380cc injectors on the JCW's until 05' when they came out with the jcw210hp tune).

 

The xxxxx096 are more common, but xxxxx025 is identical in every respect.

 

If anyone is wanting some of the Bosch 380cc injectors (0280158096) that everyone is talking about in this thread....the ones that spec out the same as the JCW injectors....there are some brand new ones for $25 each if you buy 4. That's better than the price on used ones.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181671525007

 

I posted that same auction 4 posts above, chucklehead....hahaha.

 

Hey IQ is this plug and play?? How did this work out for you?

 

Dude- there are 20 pages of info here. Yes, this works. Many have done it including myself. It's important however to read the thread, in order to understand some of the nuances. These injectors are wayyy newer technology than the JCW 380's, and cost far less. They have the same static flow rate and the same spray pattern.

Cliffs Notes:

-You'll need EV1 (engine harness side) to EV14 (new injector) adapters.
-You will likely need to run a small washer (1/8" - 1/4") beneath your intercooler mounting holes, in order to clear the new adapters.
-You absolutely must not assume you have the correct injectors. Verify by part # using this thread, or PM me.

 

Yes, like TBC said....these are pretty much plug-n-play 380cc injectors. You will (like he also said) need these EV6 to EV1 adapters.

I ordered these (I hope I ordered the right ones. Other pages in this thread say you need the EV6 to EV1 adapter, but I just noticed that TBC said you need EV14 to EV1.) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuel-Injector-EV6-to-EV1-connection-adapter-high-quality-materials-/321646440015?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ae39f2e4f&vxp=mtr
Since they are the pig-tail type adapters, they are supposed to not be as tall...and not require you to space up the intercooler. I got the adapters in yesterday, but I don't think the injectors will be in until next week.

$25 each for a brand new Bosch 380cc injector is awesome....I'm glad I never had the urge to dump $500+ on a new set of the oem JCW injectors.

 

So now I'm a little confused. What adapters are you supposed to use with the Volvo 2.5 injectors (Bosch 0280158096)?

Manny Cooper is saying use the EV1 to EV6 adapter.

The Big Chill is saying use the EV1 to EV14 adapter.

Which is it?

 

Well I answered my own question

My Bosch 0280158096 injectors (Volvo 2.5) showed up today...and the EV1 to EV6 adapters work like a champ.

The Big Chill....why are you saying that you need EV1 to EV14 adapters? Are EV14 and EV6 the same type of connector?

 

EV1 harness to EV6 injector is correct for the adapters. I simply misspoke (EV14 describes the new injector itself). When you install these, make sure the injector clips are locked to the injector and rail completely. Enjoy.

 

Would it be a good idea to plug in my laptop after I install the new injectors to reset all of the adaptations using DIS.....or just run them?

 

The battery should be disconnected while doing electrical or fuel system work anyhow, but sure, reset with DIS.

Just remember: larger, unscaled injectors will run rich at cold-start (until coolant temps reach a range the ECU likes) and at WOT. Expect some rough idling at first. If you're running a colder spark plug, you also could have some fouling due to the richer cold-start conditions. Overall, I had very good luck with these injectors.

 

I sure with I had an AFR Meter installed so I could actually see what my before and after AFR's were after the 380cc injector install.

 

Sounds like you got it all hooked up and "flowing" -- definitely report back on how things are going with it. I haven't made the plunge just yet... mostly because I dont have time or motivation to get a tune right now..

Glad to have found this thread -- solid info guys.

 

There is too much snow and ice on the ground here for me to get the car to see how it drive. I'll report back as soon as I get some drive time with the new injectors.

For now, I'm not going to mess with a tune. If places didn't charge so much for them ($300 for flash tool, $350 for tune, $200+ for dyno time) I would do it. I wish there was more competition in the Mini tuning world....

 

I found a post by a member who was nice enough to offer his AFR pre and post 380cc install (untuned). The numbers are burned into my mind, but I'll see if I can find the thread (it wasn't on NAM..)

With stock injectors, a 15% pulley, intake, exhaust, and catted header, he had between 11.2 and 11.7 AFR @ 6500 RPM.

Post 380cc install, he was running 10.3 - 10.6 @ 6500 RPM.

Now, I posted this info earlier in the thread, but here's the gist: 11.2 - 11.7 is a better AFR. It's not on the verge of being lean, it's efficient, it's powerful. 10.3 - 10.5 is leaving a lot of power on the table. Understand that untuned, the average R53 is likely going to lose power with "upgraded" injectors. Those who do this should know that this is more of a safety mod than a power mod, until tuned. Though, again, while they may not be representative for everyone, a 11.2 - 11.7 AFR is not at all unsafe. I used to tune for 11.5 in all my forced induction cars... This is the whole reason that I removed my 380's; I was simply using more gas for little-to-no gain, and had no plans to tune in the foreseeable future.