Well, one thing you have to consider is that maybe the suppliers to the aftermarket shops are removing/covering up the part numbers? It's hard to tell....but you can't just assuming that the MINI shops are doing this.

But I agree that if the shops ARE doing this on purpose, just to keep the customer in the dark...then yes, that is not acceptable.

Anyone anyone gone back to the shops (RMW, Helix, WMW, ....) and asked them?

 

i have to agree they do this for profit my G380's were ground off and they were built buy a non mini shop, they didnt do such a good job on a few of the them so i could still make out the numbers. and found out what they were originally, before being modded.

then again the genesis 380s are cheap as hell so it doesnt really matter. unless you are getting them from a mini specific shop where the price goes up significantly.

 

since im feeling lazy and dont want to read all sixteen pages am i correct in assuming that with charger and crank pulley upgrade, intake, and exhaust i should get 380 injectors. and if so where is the best place to buy them? lol. if you do not condone my laziness.... i completely understand

 

The basis of this thread was to try a product other than the recognized standard choice of the JCW's.
But honestly they are still prob. your best and least worrisome option.

As far as the other thing, honestly I don't have a problem with RMW or Mynes not wanting to disclose the origin of the injectors they sell right up front, keep in mind they weren't re-branding 380's (to my knowledge) which are a drop-in part, both the 440's & 550's took a considerable amount of effort on their part as far as R&D to get them to work in our cars, so why not try & keep a few things to themselves, he'll it took how many pages of this thread and the effort involved to see if these would work OK and they are a drop-in, no fuel scaling or ECU/Tuning issues involved. Plus, as far Mynes goes and my dealings with them (don't know about RMW) I was never led to believe that those injectors were "theirs", and that their origin was really a big secret, it was just never mentioned, it's not like they actually re-stamped them out anything.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel like companies should have to ness. offer up all of their knowledge or intellectually property for free, I'm just happy they've done a lot of the work and R&D for me, I don't have a problem paying a couple of extra bucks for it. But again, maybe that's just me.

 

The JCW's are your best option if you're overly adverse to spending $10 on adapters in order to run the Bosch 0280158096 units.


BlwnAway: The reality is that the large majority of aftermarket shops out there do not go out of their way to hide the origin of "their" products, or better yet, the OEM part # of said offering. When you grind a part # off of something without actually modifying the part outside of it's original spec (which would warrant part # removal to prevent confusion) you're acknowledging that you're simply reselling. This isn't an issue for things like Skunk2/Invidia exhaust, but is an issue when you're talking about fuel delivery and electronics. I salute Mynes for actually NOT doing this, and making their 550 offering easily traceable. They get it. In the Mynes "BIGGER is BETTER" 550 injector thread, they state -"We have nothing to hide. Customers will be able to see the part numbers clearly and can verify the actual OE specs of our injectors."

Nobody is saying that Helix, RMW, etc, should say in their part description "OEM injector for Dodge Neon SRT4" or "Mustang GT500". That's silly. BUT, they shouldn't be hiding or removing the part #'s unless they're actually modifying the injector.....they're not.

I'm not sure you understand the definition of Intellectual Property. If you did, you'd see that by grinding off part #'s, these guys are undermining and misusing the I.P. of the actual manufacturers to which that I.P. belongs. Like I said, it's a different story when you modify the part.

I respect your opinion, but what these guys are doing is not industry standard, and it allows them to price gouge. There's a reason that these 550's can be had from ECSTuning, or VivaPerformance, or HPTuners, or MuscleMotors, etc, for $225 compared to RMW's $325.

 

When it's all said done, people have plenty of options to choose from. If you don't want to pay $350+ for injectors from a mini parts vendor, go to another vendor and pay $250 for the same injectors. If you don't want to do that, search ebay and pick up a used set for $100. Vote with your wallet. Nobody is forcing people to spend $350+ on injectors just like nobody is forcing anyone to spend $600 on a crappy canned tune.....but people still do it.

If you don't like the fact that some vendors are removing part numbers, stop giving them your business.

 

B.C.
Oh I know, that's why I said that "I" just didn't have a problem with it.
As far as I.P. ifs concerned, yes I should have probably put that another way, I was just thinking of all the effort put into making it so that, that part will work & doing their best to make it so that it wasn't so easy to circumvent the steps that went into the whole process.

But again that's just me

 

My friend, what you explain here just became an option, largely due to this thread and the research that has gone into it. Before, the well-known options were nothing more than 1)Pay $450 for new JCW's or 2) Pay ~$300 for used JCW's or 3)Pay ~$325 for OEM take-offs (we now know this to be true) from a MINI shop. Now and only now can people spend $200 for a brand new set of compatible injectors, should you choose to believe they're compatible.


BlwnAway: I get what you're saying, totally. I just find it intentionally deceptive, and is generally regarded as such. I like fighting for "the little guy" (us), what can I say?

 

now on the question of compatibility... does anyone know if there are any big changes between the pre-face lift ecu and face lift ecu?

i am wondering if the updated ece can handle other injector options better. it wont really matter if you get a real tune just saying for those who dont get a tune and want it just to be plug and play.

 

so who has purchased and installed some GT500 injectors?

I see sets of 8 for like $200 on the ebay... anyone want to Split a set!? how can you beat $100!

if someone can confirm these GT500 injectors work, and are "in the market" for some, PM me! lets split a set of these puppies!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291052995849?_trksid=m570.p2045573.l4766&_trkparms=ga1m%3DT81%26ga2m%3DT1%26ga3m%3DT3%26ga4m%3DT8

 

I'm up for spitting a set of injectors if someone can say for sure that they will work. Are they 380cc injectors or larger? Anyone have the Bosch part number for them?

 

i want to split either 450s or 550s... already have the JCW engine, so already have 380s!

 

Let me know when you get ready to sell your 380's....if I haven't found a set by then, I may take them off of your hands for you

 

the GT500 injectors are 550cc

 

Unless you are building a Stroker Motor, you Do not need the 550cc units, you can use them but they are not required.

 

My brother, this is how **** gets messed up: The injectors you linked to above are not the correct injectors. Those are from a 2013 & 2014 GT500, and flow far more than 550cc at 3.5bar. What you want are the injectors from a 2007-2012 GT500. If you're going to type a make and model into a search field, you need to confirm the part #. Part # is what matters here. I know this thread is huge, but I've reiterated a few times that the correct GT500 injectors are from 2007-2012. Again, for the record, Bosch 0280158117, from 2007-2012 Mustang GT500 is the correct part for those looking to upgrade to 550's.


Once you choose the right ones, nothing needs to be confirmed The injectors I've listed are what Mynes and RMW sell. They modify nothing about them. Mynes themselves has confirmed the part#. Google any combination of "Mynes", "RMW", or "Mini" with "0280158117" and let me know what you find.

I'd split a set with you, but I have no plans of getting tuned immediately afterwards. As I'm sure you know, you'll need a tune immediately after installing these.



Here are a ton of the correct injectors:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOSCH-52-LB-52LB-550CC-550-CC-EV14-USCAR-FUEL-INJECTOR-/250360777632?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item3a4aaa4ba0&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Bosch-EV14-52lb-550cc-fuel-injectors-Honda-Audi-VW-Mazda-Ford-Dodge-Toyota-GM-/281264995181?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417cb33b6d&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-BOSCH-Fuel-Injector-0280158117-EV14-G302-550-cc-min-52-lbs-hr-Ford-Volvo-/331112756029?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item4d17dbb33d&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bosch-550cc-Fuel-Injectors-0280158117-w-VAG-Adapters-Ford-Motoza-VW-MK4-1-8T-/321314558563?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4acfd71263&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Bosch-EV14-52lb-550cc-fuel-injectors-Honda-Audi-VW-Mazda-Ford-Dodge-Toyota-GM-/281264999011?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417cb34a63&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Bosch-EV14-52lb-550cc-fuel-injectors-Honda-Audi-VW-Mazda-Ford-Dodge-Toyota-GM-/310872550059?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item486172aaab&vxp=mtr

 

Ok so I've found some ST injectors and I'll source the adapters (the type that's got the site in the middle so I don't have to raise the intercooler).

I'm running: 17% puller, CAI, GPIC and a cat-back.

Dyno run says it's lean around 12 from 3-4k up. I'm guessing 380s and a JCW map would help this?

 

I thought that's what you are looking for...somewhere around 12:1 AFR at WOT. That doesn't sound lean to me. Are you wanting to get it down into the 11:1 range? I'm no tuning expert...but that sounds mights rich.

 

Conventional wisdom is that as you get into higher levels of boost, 11.5:1 or even 11:1 is a lot safer than 12:1 for the engine....

C ya,
Dutch

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Hyundai-Tiburon-Genesis-2-0-380cc-Fuel-Injectors-/370537602542?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item5645c31dee&vxp=mtr

 

Nope. Let's just stick with what we know for now, which has been discussed at length in this thread.

 

In the past, I've always tuned for 11.5 AFR, which is generally regarded as a nice compromise between safety and power. I personally would not be concerned with an AFR of 12.0 one bit. You have less room for error, but frankly, that ratio is regarded as an ideal # for making power....

There is no fast and dirty rule that applies equally to all engines, but there is reference material out there. If you research different tuning shops or the web, asking for "ideal AFR" on a forced induction car, you're going to hear a lot of variation, but most will reply with a range of 11.6 - 12.2.

Factory boosted cars often come off-the-line running absurdly rich (10-11 AFR) and that's why making just a tune your first mod can yield such great power gains.

 

I haven't seen a set-in-stone rule, but the ballpark I've seen in most of what I've read is generally around 11.5:1, give or take a bit depending on the engine, for most climates.

Given my location in the land of bromides and sunshine, where 115-120 degrees is a frequent reality, 12:1 would be a little lean for safety. I'll stick to the richer end of the ideal range, i.e., around 11.5:1....

C ya,
Dutch

 

really great thread. Ive always been curious as to how people never try generic parts for their cars. Ex; "mini specific" oil catch cans can run ~150$ while mishimoto cans (a very reputable brand in the tuner world) could run $50 cheaper.

One recommendation i would have to finalize and perfect this thread is to create one post with EVERYTHING on it, rather across 17 pages of in depth research. It would serve as a great resource tht'll inform NAM of everything: pricing, sizing (380cc-550cc), adaptors n such. Cuz let's remember who the real enemy is... our wallets

 

That is what I said in like post #2.

The point of the thread Originally was just that to create a database of the KNOWN useable replacement injectors from other cars or sources.

Then someone said oh I have the information and proceed to drag it out forever, then if you look I post the actual injector used by RMW.

Then someone said oh I knew that all along! Typical internet BS, instead of just providing known information or fact, they want to talk crap.

But in the end VINI - you are correct I guess I will have to go through this all and make a final post that will contain the needed info and see about creating a sticky for it.