Drivetrain Turbo heat control
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Turbo heat control
I have experienced the joys of a melted hood scoop recently, and am on a quest to resolve my problem.
Step 1. Visit dealer for a new hood scoop.
Step 2. Ordered a AEM intake with turbo heat shield.
Step 3. ????????? help.
My thoughts are varied - I know WMW makes a turbo wrap. But thats almost 200 bones, and I just spent $1500 on wheels and an intake. I need some relief for a few weeks while my spending money builds back up...
I was thinking about using this stuff around the factory turbo heat shield to help keep some of the temps from squeezing out. Not under the shield like the WMW wrap, but over the exposed part you can see.
Then have the AEM heat shield above that.
Also thinking I could wrap the hot side tube with some of the same stuff (or the 1.5" tape that is the same material) to help prevent a little more heat from invading my engine bay.
Am I barking up the wrong tree/wasting time and money on this?
I dont expect performance gains or to duplicate dedicated products, but if this will help and not cause problems, it seems like an inexpensive way to help lower the temps.
Thanks!
Step 1. Visit dealer for a new hood scoop.
Step 2. Ordered a AEM intake with turbo heat shield.
Step 3. ????????? help.
My thoughts are varied - I know WMW makes a turbo wrap. But thats almost 200 bones, and I just spent $1500 on wheels and an intake. I need some relief for a few weeks while my spending money builds back up...
I was thinking about using this stuff around the factory turbo heat shield to help keep some of the temps from squeezing out. Not under the shield like the WMW wrap, but over the exposed part you can see.
Then have the AEM heat shield above that.
Also thinking I could wrap the hot side tube with some of the same stuff (or the 1.5" tape that is the same material) to help prevent a little more heat from invading my engine bay.
Am I barking up the wrong tree/wasting time and money on this?
I dont expect performance gains or to duplicate dedicated products, but if this will help and not cause problems, it seems like an inexpensive way to help lower the temps.
Thanks!
#2
The AEM looks pretty much the same as the DDMWorks version, so at least your scoop is truly open to the outside environment. The stock blocked off scoop is nonsense and I believe could be one of the major causes to the bending scoops besides cheap material. I went back to my stock painted scoop and have been using it in this record summer heat along with a track weekend this past week. No bending yet and I don't expect to see it since my hood scoop is open.
The WMW heat wrap is probably the best solution. It keeps all the heat in the turbo and maintains energy in the exhaust stream to promote better engine efficiency. Yea there are better looking solutions out there but wrapping the turbo directly makes the most sense.
The WMW heat wrap is probably the best solution. It keeps all the heat in the turbo and maintains energy in the exhaust stream to promote better engine efficiency. Yea there are better looking solutions out there but wrapping the turbo directly makes the most sense.
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I'm kinda in the sale position, I tried trick on thermally reflective heat stuff on the inside of the hood but it didn't do enough.
I found that mini now makes an underhood 'sound deadener' that is being fitted to cars with factory stripes (to stop them going off white) and ordered one. It was $90 online plus shipping, still waiting for it to arrive.
I don't like wrapping the turbo up, it just cooks it more and seems to exchange one problem for another...
I found that mini now makes an underhood 'sound deadener' that is being fitted to cars with factory stripes (to stop them going off white) and ordered one. It was $90 online plus shipping, still waiting for it to arrive.
I don't like wrapping the turbo up, it just cooks it more and seems to exchange one problem for another...
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Just installed Carbon Fiber hood scoop yesterday and it looks great! I was thinking of picking this up from Bluefox. Hood Vent Scoop.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ent-scoop.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ent-scoop.html
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Thanks for the thoughts. I dont want to do the full wrap yet, but may in the future.
Shane- I am thinking like you, actual cold air. As to the melting - we have 41K on the car before we saw a warp, and it was just there one day. Temps had been mid 90s to 100s for a couple weeks...
Chris - have a link to the piece? or know what it might be under on realoem.com?
is it the piece in the link Dozuki01 posted?
I dont plan on just doing the reflective stuff, but using it in conjunction with the scoop for the AEM and on the heat shield. I figure if I can cut a few degrees off each layer, I have a decent net effect.
Malcon - keep us updated, that would be cool (no pun intended.)
Shane- I am thinking like you, actual cold air. As to the melting - we have 41K on the car before we saw a warp, and it was just there one day. Temps had been mid 90s to 100s for a couple weeks...
Chris - have a link to the piece? or know what it might be under on realoem.com?
is it the piece in the link Dozuki01 posted?
I dont plan on just doing the reflective stuff, but using it in conjunction with the scoop for the AEM and on the heat shield. I figure if I can cut a few degrees off each layer, I have a decent net effect.
Malcon - keep us updated, that would be cool (no pun intended.)
#7
Have you removed the vent scoop grill and dremel'ed / saw-off the blocked holes?
Or have you looked at MiniFini hood scoop grill insert?
To remove heat off the hood scoop, I'm using the factory installed 'deadening' (black material), OEM aluminum heat shield (bright silver) and the stainless steel vent scoop (dark silver) I fabricate:
- Erik
Or have you looked at MiniFini hood scoop grill insert?
To remove heat off the hood scoop, I'm using the factory installed 'deadening' (black material), OEM aluminum heat shield (bright silver) and the stainless steel vent scoop (dark silver) I fabricate:
- Erik
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After you install the AEM, that will probably cure the hood scoop melting problem, so I'd wait on the wrap.
The WMW heat wrap is a good idea, but like you say, $200 is a tad steep. Contrary to some thoughts, it does not hurt the turbo at all, keeping the heat in where it should be, and helps the flow of the exhaust gasses. I swear I'm not making this up Chris (CA), honest. Good luck.
The WMW heat wrap is a good idea, but like you say, $200 is a tad steep. Contrary to some thoughts, it does not hurt the turbo at all, keeping the heat in where it should be, and helps the flow of the exhaust gasses. I swear I'm not making this up Chris (CA), honest. Good luck.
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Not sure if MINI offers this, but my Coupe S came with a sound deadening material that covers the entire underside of the hood.
After a hard drive the hood is warm, not hot at all.
I have added the NM heat shield for the heck of it and now after a hard
drive it is cool to the touch....no warmth at all.
The shield might have been overkill but I just felt like buying something
After a hard drive the hood is warm, not hot at all.
I have added the NM heat shield for the heck of it and now after a hard
drive it is cool to the touch....no warmth at all.
The shield might have been overkill but I just felt like buying something
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I am waiting on Mini to call and tell my the scoop has been painted. I dont know about the Mini heat sheild - I had the black one seen above, but not the silver one.
NewCooperFanatic - Do you have a picture of the full hood coverage piece?
I have already installed the AEM intake so that would not fit with the air scoop piece anyways. I can see how the extra shield, coupled with the black "thermal blanket" piece would be good protection as well.
Melangell - I was thinking about dremeling out the holes in the factory scoop grill (it is removed right now), but I like the black Minifini one. Good call!
NewCooperFanatic - Do you have a picture of the full hood coverage piece?
I have already installed the AEM intake so that would not fit with the air scoop piece anyways. I can see how the extra shield, coupled with the black "thermal blanket" piece would be good protection as well.
Melangell - I was thinking about dremeling out the holes in the factory scoop grill (it is removed right now), but I like the black Minifini one. Good call!
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I am waiting on Mini to call and tell my the scoop has been painted. I dont know about the Mini heat sheild - I had the black one seen above, but not the silver one.
NewCooperFanatic - Do you have a picture of the full hood coverage piece?
NewCooperFanatic - Do you have a picture of the full hood coverage piece?
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I bought that exact underhood piece for my 2009 MCS but unfortunately there are no holes to mount it with the clips. I'm debating drilling holes to fit it in place. What year is your car?
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The only "heat control" I use is the Mini-Fini Black Stainless Intake Scoop Grill.
You remove the mostly cosmetic black plastic factory insert and install a real grill.
I no longer even use the underhood sheet metal retrofit thing.
Even after agressive driving my hood and scoop are only warm to the touch and it dissipates very quickly.
I think the sun shining on my hood while parked creates more heat on my scoop than driving does.
http://www.minifini.com/ShopDetail.aspx?id=64
You remove the mostly cosmetic black plastic factory insert and install a real grill.
I no longer even use the underhood sheet metal retrofit thing.
Even after agressive driving my hood and scoop are only warm to the touch and it dissipates very quickly.
I think the sun shining on my hood while parked creates more heat on my scoop than driving does.
http://www.minifini.com/ShopDetail.aspx?id=64
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I'm kinda in the sale position, I tried trick on thermally reflective heat stuff on the inside of the hood but it didn't do enough.
I found that mini now makes an underhood 'sound deadener' that is being fitted to cars with factory stripes (to stop them going off white) and ordered one. It was $90 online plus shipping, still waiting for it to arrive.
I don't like wrapping the turbo up, it just cooks it more and seems to exchange one problem for another...
I found that mini now makes an underhood 'sound deadener' that is being fitted to cars with factory stripes (to stop them going off white) and ordered one. It was $90 online plus shipping, still waiting for it to arrive.
I don't like wrapping the turbo up, it just cooks it more and seems to exchange one problem for another...
Where did you order the full under good deadening from and would you be able to share the part number.
TIA
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Dozuki01, there's a similar thread running parallel to this on the R58 coupe group.
I've just installed R58 MCS coupe underbonnet insulation on my '12 R56 hardtop MCS.
Bonnet part numbers are the same for hardtop, coupe and roadster so the insulation must be interchangeable.
If you look at RealOEM for R56 you'll be pointed at a diesel part with the turbo heat reflector at the back. The coupe part fits but has no heat shield in the 'wrong place'...
I've just installed R58 MCS coupe underbonnet insulation on my '12 R56 hardtop MCS.
Bonnet part numbers are the same for hardtop, coupe and roadster so the insulation must be interchangeable.
If you look at RealOEM for R56 you'll be pointed at a diesel part with the turbo heat reflector at the back. The coupe part fits but has no heat shield in the 'wrong place'...
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I bought the Way Motor Works turbo wrap just after I bought my car. I wasn't aware of problems with the hood scoop melting when I got it, it was to improve turbo efficiency.
I also removed the grill from the scoop, I can think of no reason to have anything in it's place.
My hood scoop remains unmelted.
Dave
I also removed the grill from the scoop, I can think of no reason to have anything in it's place.
My hood scoop remains unmelted.
Dave
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Dozuki01, there's a similar thread running parallel to this on the R58 coupe group.
I've just installed R58 MCS coupe underbonnet insulation on my '12 R56 hardtop MCS.
Bonnet part numbers are the same for hardtop, coupe and roadster so the insulation must be interchangeable.
If you look at RealOEM for R56 you'll be pointed at a diesel part with the turbo heat reflector at the back. The coupe part fits but has no heat shield in the 'wrong place'...
I've just installed R58 MCS coupe underbonnet insulation on my '12 R56 hardtop MCS.
Bonnet part numbers are the same for hardtop, coupe and roadster so the insulation must be interchangeable.
If you look at RealOEM for R56 you'll be pointed at a diesel part with the turbo heat reflector at the back. The coupe part fits but has no heat shield in the 'wrong place'...
Chris(CA)
It is a 2012 Coupe.....and yes, there is a thread in the R58 section about this heat insulation blanket.
Some cars came with, others didn't.
I was lucky to have it installed already and I have to say it works very well.
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