>>Just got back from SPI and all I have to say is WOW! This thing is a monster. My head was forced back into the seat like I have never felt before. This car makes POWER! I couldn't believe that a basically stock car can make that kind of power. I was told that they are planning on offering this as a kit, but price in up in the air right now. You have to stop by and see and feel and hear this thing for yourself. The BOV is awesome. This is still a work in progress though, but stay tuned to see the finished product. SPI also had a few of their monsters out in the back. They even have a dyno right in the shop. This is a mod all of you will want to do in the future!
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>>P.S. - They are waiting for you Macandcheese...


Thanks for taking the time to visit us. You were the first, of hopefully, many more enthusiasts that will soon be able to experience what a Twincharged Mini is capable of.... :smile:

 

>>:smile: I stopped by SPI today to meet with Hubie and snap some pics of the car. Had a bit of trouble finding the place but when i saw the 700HP Supra I knew I was probably in the right place. The twin turbo IS300 wasnt too shabby either. The little silver MINI looked so innocent parked next to these bad boys. The car looks fairly stock on the outside, save for painted lower cladding and a custom exhaust but when open the door you notice some some "extra" little screens. Hmmm more gadgets :smile: Turn the key and something isn't right. It idles perfectly smooth but it doesnt sound like the stock mini at all... there is nothing mini about the sound. Its not overly loud, just different.
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>>Pulling out of the parking lot, i could tell i was in for treat. The sound of the blowoff between my 1-2 shift is hinting at whats about to happen. As we round the corner, I get on the gas and before I know it, the blowoff is wooshing and I'm shifting into third. What just happened? Even my girlfriend says "that thing was fast"
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>>Thats all the time I have for this post.... I'll let the pictures speak for themselves. Top notch quality. Top notch guy. I let him drive my 17% car :smile: It used to impressive to me, but now Im spoiled :smile: If I knew you were going to post so many picts, I would have washed the car.

I'm glad you enjoyed driving the car and appreciate your kind words.....Come visit us again, you are welcomed anytime.
(I'll turn up the boost next time )

 

No problem man, you deserve the props. The car absolutely rips! I will be watching what SPI has to offer in the future, and will be saving for that special something under the hood...keep up the good work...I am going to have to come back one day and take some pics for myself...

 

OK, this is just too much to bear!

Someone PLEASE get over to SPI with decent camcorder and go for a drive! We need a couple short vids with audio!!!

Drool bib needs reinforcement - 20 PSI boost produces far too much drool

 

looks pretty sharp, wonder what hoerspower?, and where does the heat go? those turbos are hot...had a 244 turbo and it was hung out away from everything to cool and prevent anything else from melting....

 

250hp at the wheels...there is a dyno in their shop...

 

Hey twinchrgdmini, what boost are you running out of the turbo before the SC? I am really curious about this, In a good way!!!If im not mistaken someone mentioned you might be making a kit of this? If so How much do you think it will be running?
Very nice install!! thats a T28 Turbo, right?

 

>>Hey twinchrgdmini, what boost are you running out of the turbo before the SC? I am really curious about this, In a good way!!!If im not mistaken someone mentioned you might be making a kit of this? If so How much do you think it will be running?
>>Very nice install!! thats a T28 Turbo, right?



Thanks for the comments! I am using a T28 turbo, running off the stock wastegate which is set for approximately 9-10 PSI. At the intake manifold, the boost gauge is reading 20 PSI under full load.
We are currently preparing the MCS for the 2004 International Auto Salon. The project started as a one off just to showcase our capabilities and the products that we either manufacture and/or distribute at SPI. The idea of making this kit a production item has become more of a reality with every mile that we put on our test mule. It truly is amazing what this motor is capable of.

We still have to work out some of the smaller details but I would like to make the entire kit available for around $5800. This will include the turbo with custom manifold and downpipe, upgraded intercooler and turbo IC piping, blow off valve, upgraded fuel injectors and pre-programmed electronics, plus all the necessary components for assembly and/or conversion to a twincharged setup.

Basically, the setup will be complete to produce the most HP and torque that I have seen so far in a bolt on kit. Everything other than injectors and intercooler are stock. I have driven the MCS twincharged with the stock injectors and intercooler during early testing phase, but instead of making these components optional, I feel that they are necessary to maintain the reliability of the vehicle. The only real optional accessory is an electronic boost control.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

 

by pre-programed electronics, what do you mean?
are you refering to the ECU remap? OR is that something else that we would need to do? I'm surrently running the Webb/Powerchip ECU...would that need to be remapped?

Louay

 

If you are going to keep everything else stock, will you be doing anything to strengthen the transmission? I believe the Getrag is only rated to 250hp. If you are putting down 250 at the wheels then there is more going through the tranny.

Also, how is wheel slip in that car? I have about 190 and wheel slip is a serious problem.

 

>>by pre-programed electronics, what do you mean?
>>are you refering to the ECU remap? OR is that something else that we would need to do? I'm surrently running the Webb/Powerchip ECU...would that need to be remapped?
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>>Louay

From what i was told at my visit to SPI, the system will include a preprogrammed S-AFCII.


--
Cheese

 

TWINCHRGDMINI,
Few new questions for you:
What do you think shipping to Los Angeles and installation would run?
What is your eta time to market with the kit?
What kind of warranty will you expect offer (non-binding question)?
I know you guys are busy but a sound clip of the engine, exhaust and BOV would be great.
-Technomage

 

How much installed and with a LSD.

Earl

 

>>TWINCHRGDMINI,
>>Few new questions for you:
>>What do you think shipping to Los Angeles and installation would run?
>>What is your eta time to market with the kit?
>>What kind of warranty will you expect offer (non-binding question)?
>>I know you guys are busy but a sound clip of the engine, exhaust and BOV would be great.
>>-Technomage


Since we are using upgraded injectors, 440cc, the S-AFC II will come pre-programmed with the correct settings so that the kit will bolt on and operate correctly without dyno tuning.

Currrently, we are still running on the stock drivetrain. However, at some point we will have to address upgrading the clutch and installing a LSD in order to take advantage of the increased torque and hp.


The kit will debut in April at the 2004 International Auto Salon in Los Angeles. Production will begin shortly after as long as all the testing has been completed and we are confortable with the fit, finish, and reliability of the kit at the designated performance output which is approximately 75% increase over stock. Warranty of the components will not be an issue. The turbo is running "stock" wastegate settings and in our warped viewpoint, is barely working. We will be using all stainless steel headers and downpipe, aluminum piping, braided lines with AN fittings, silicone connectors, and quality fasteners where applicable.
The kit is designed to be "bolt on" with minor modifications. However, we do recommend that a qualified installer perform the installation since some mechanical as well as electronic proficiency is required. It should take approximately 15 hours to install the kit. Packaging dimensions have not yet been determined, but we would estimate one large box weighing no more than 60 lbs. Shipping by UPS Ground should not exceed $50-60 to anywhere in the U.S.

We will post a video/sound clip of the car within the next few days.

 

Since the blower must be an impediment when the turbo really starts to work, did you consider a turbo-only offering, especially since your main expertise seems to be turbocharging??

 

Just got back from SPI and had an in depth talk with Hubie. I took some pics of the exhaust they are putting on and the new adjustable gauge pods they are comming out with...




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now THOSE are pipes.

 

Holy Moly!!!
Ya, makes much more sense to come straight out the back rather than snaking around to the center of the bumper.

 

Maybe something like here in post #98

 

Hi people i come from mini2, we've been watching this thread for quite a while now, you can visit us HERE. Having a twinchrd solution is great, it reminds me the Lancia S4 rally car. But me as many others worry about the highly increased thermal charges that the motor has to cope with. Yes, the new and bigger intercooler tries but is it enough? A mini2 member, Charger_Pete has made some calculations, you can get them HERE, keep in mind though that they work ONLY AS A GUIDE. I would like some one from SPI to comment if the kit is good enough for warm climates like Greece where i live. Also does SPI plan to ship their kit to Europe? Is the kit compatible with 100 or 98 octane fuels, can a reprogramming be done for Europe needs?
thanks

 

What is the life expectancy of a Twincharged MCS engine?

 

Hubie - Will you sell that exhaust set-up as a stand alone product? That thing just look more efficent w/o the loops to get around the batt box. I think if you sold the exhaust package with a batt box relo kit and the rear vallance to fit the dual pipes you would have a hot item on your hands. Put me down for order #1.

 

Thanks for the message! It is exciting to read that our project has generated so much international interest as well. We have been finalizing design and testing on the kit and tentatively plan to release it after its debut at the 2004 IAS in April. The MCS is driven hard daily so that we can continue to record important data and ensure driveability as well as reliability. As we process the data we will re-evaluate the kit and then make a determination whether or not to release it. We appreciate all the interest but remember, this is still our project car, and the kit will not go into production unless we are confident with its performance as well as its seamless integration with the factory setup.

On a separate note, we are still using the factory ecu with a APEXi S-AFC II for fuel management. Because it is a piggyback system, we believe that compatibility issues with different octance fuels in different locations will not exist.
Once we determine what the impacts are of the higher thermal loads due to the turbo we will be able to comment on the performance of the kit under all conditions and climates.
We look forward to seeing how a twincharged MCS performs in Greece.




>>Hi people i come from mini2, we've been watching this thread for quite a while now, you can visit us HERE. Having a twinchrd solution is great, it reminds me the Lancia S4 rally car. But me as many others worry about the highly increased thermal charges that the motor has to cope with. Yes, the new and bigger intercooler tries but is it enough? A mini2 member, Charger_Pete has made some calculations, you can get them HERE, keep in mind though that they work ONLY AS A GUIDE. I would like some one from SPI to comment if the kit is good enough for warm climates like Greece where i live. Also does SPI plan to ship their kit to Europe? Is the kit compatible with 100 or 98 octane fuels, can a reprogramming be done for Europe needs?
>>thanks
>>

 

If I had to prove how interested I am about this mod I would say that “this was the reason I joined this forum”:D:D, that was a joke of course NAM is as good as mini2. Anyway I’ll eagerly wait for your test period to complete, so that you can be more technical on the reliability issue and my concerns as I have expressed them, prove me wrong on them and maybe we will find out how well the kit performs here in Greece. I know a lot of magazines here in Greece that would, definitely want to make a cover story out of a twin charged S.
Ps have you measured the cylinder incoming air after intercooler, our theoretical calculations show temperature of 190,8degC? Was there ever any thought for a water cooled intercooler?
thanks

>>Thanks for the message! It is exciting to read that our project has generated so much international interest as well. We have been finalizing design and testing on the kit and tentatively plan to release it after its debut at the 2004 IAS in April. The MCS is driven hard daily so that we can continue to record important data and ensure driveability as well as reliability. As we process the data we will re-evaluate the kit and then make a determination whether or not to release it. We appreciate all the interest but remember, this is still our project car, and the kit will not go into production unless we are confident with its performance as well as its seamless integration with the factory setup.
>>
>>On a separate note, we are still using the factory ecu with a APEXi S-AFC II for fuel management. Because it is a piggyback system, we believe that compatibility issues with different octance fuels in different locations will not exist.
>>Once we determine what the impacts are of the higher thermal loads due to the turbo we will be able to comment on the performance of the kit under all conditions and climates.
>>We look forward to seeing how a twincharged MCS performs in Greece.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Hi people i come from mini2, we've been watching this thread for quite a while now, you can visit us HERE. Having a twinchrd solution is great, it reminds me the Lancia S4 rally car. But me as many others worry about the highly increased thermal charges that the motor has to cope with. Yes, the new and bigger intercooler tries but is it enough? A mini2 member, Charger_Pete has made some calculations, you can get them HERE, keep in mind though that they work ONLY AS A GUIDE. I would like some one from SPI to comment if the kit is good enough for warm climates like Greece where i live. Also does SPI plan to ship their kit to Europe? Is the kit compatible with 100 or 98 octane fuels, can a reprogramming be done for Europe needs?
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>

 

Well, I visited Hubie on Saturday. The warmest day in the East in 3 months - 60 F. The car reflects the builder - smart, simple and quick as sh*t. But quick isn't the point here. While the car is complete, solid and reliable in its mechanicals, it is still in testing and Hubie isn't going for power yet. With a reported 250hp at the wheels is its current trim I would expect that the existing mechanicals with minor additions could take this car to 350 or more. And you could still motor to the grocery store. Needless to say, this rig didn't come out of left field. There wasn't much else around the shop that wasn't twin turbo'd and producing 5-600+ hp. An interesting day to say the least.

For all of you naysaying, show me the numbers guys here are the RPM/IAT graphs for the Twincharged Mini and mine with a 19% pulley.