Drivetrain Twincharged MCS
#26
>>Finally!
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>>I'd been waiting to see someone turn out at twin-charged MINI. Been thinking of it ever since seeing the old Twin-charged MR2s.
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>>Questions:
>>Are you using the stock supercharger?
>>What turbo does your system incorporate?
>>What does your exhaust/header look like?
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>>Pictures please!!!!
The supercharger is still stock, so is the pulley. I am using a Garrett T28 with a custom manifold, down pipe, and exhaust system. I upgraded the intercooler with a larger top mount and custom piping for the turbo. Other than larger injectors, everything else is stock. I also believe that I am the first person to install and tune a twincharged MCS with an APEX S-AFC II.
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>>I'd been waiting to see someone turn out at twin-charged MINI. Been thinking of it ever since seeing the old Twin-charged MR2s.
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>>Questions:
>>Are you using the stock supercharger?
>>What turbo does your system incorporate?
>>What does your exhaust/header look like?
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>>Pictures please!!!!
The supercharger is still stock, so is the pulley. I am using a Garrett T28 with a custom manifold, down pipe, and exhaust system. I upgraded the intercooler with a larger top mount and custom piping for the turbo. Other than larger injectors, everything else is stock. I also believe that I am the first person to install and tune a twincharged MCS with an APEX S-AFC II.
#28
>>Can you post some pics plz. I can't wait to see it!
The dyno sheet compares the stock MCS with the now twincharged MCS. As you can see from the comparison, at around 3300 rpm, the twincharged MCS is making the same HP as the max stock hp which is at redline. Torque is a totally separate issue since it is basically higher than stock from 2500.
The dyno sheet compares the stock MCS with the now twincharged MCS. As you can see from the comparison, at around 3300 rpm, the twincharged MCS is making the same HP as the max stock hp which is at redline. Torque is a totally separate issue since it is basically higher than stock from 2500.
#31
Somebody pinch me I must be dreaming.... Looks fantastic, I look forward to more updates.
Twincharged: do you plan any modifications to the drivetrain, transmission, clutch etc., perhaps adding a L.S.D.? Seems like you would have some trouble with all the added torque keeping the rubber in contact with the road.
His, Chile RED over, Madness intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Helix Pulley & RDR Swaybar
Hers, Electric Blue / Union Jack on top and BONE Stock
Twincharged: do you plan any modifications to the drivetrain, transmission, clutch etc., perhaps adding a L.S.D.? Seems like you would have some trouble with all the added torque keeping the rubber in contact with the road.
His, Chile RED over, Madness intake, Magnaflow exhaust, Helix Pulley & RDR Swaybar
Hers, Electric Blue / Union Jack on top and BONE Stock
#32
#33
>>I guess I have to be the downer and question why the use of two? 100 extra hps can be had easily be other means. What makes this more effiecent than say a single turboed example?
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>>Post pics of the tech "break through."
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>>-goin440 IB/IB MC
What other means are you talking about, and how can it be had easily? Haven't tuners been working for a year now, and only recently BBR hit the mark? I'd pose the perspective that it neither comes easily nor cheaply, and I question the reliability. ...Not to say I think that the twin charged mini will be more reliable.
Why use two different compressors?
...Lets see:
There's the exhaust - won't necessarily need dual-cans as turbo will quiet things down nicely. = weight savings & less complexity/routing.
Performance:
If incorporated well would have the best of both worlds - supercharger boost from throttle on + mid-high rpm kick of efficient turbo boost. That's a KILLA acceleration combo.
Efficiency:
I'll bet the twin charged MINI is probably as fuel-efficient (if not better than stock) - when driven conservatively (speed ?)
If the MINI TC turns out to be reliable it'll be pretty hard to beat. There’s a LOT going on under that bonnet!
Price (I am certain) will be another story entirely. ...But then again you gotta pay to play
VERY COOL!
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>>Post pics of the tech "break through."
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>>_________________
>>-goin440 IB/IB MC
What other means are you talking about, and how can it be had easily? Haven't tuners been working for a year now, and only recently BBR hit the mark? I'd pose the perspective that it neither comes easily nor cheaply, and I question the reliability. ...Not to say I think that the twin charged mini will be more reliable.
Why use two different compressors?
...Lets see:
There's the exhaust - won't necessarily need dual-cans as turbo will quiet things down nicely. = weight savings & less complexity/routing.
Performance:
If incorporated well would have the best of both worlds - supercharger boost from throttle on + mid-high rpm kick of efficient turbo boost. That's a KILLA acceleration combo.
Efficiency:
I'll bet the twin charged MINI is probably as fuel-efficient (if not better than stock) - when driven conservatively (speed ?)
If the MINI TC turns out to be reliable it'll be pretty hard to beat. There’s a LOT going on under that bonnet!
Price (I am certain) will be another story entirely. ...But then again you gotta pay to play
VERY COOL!
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#45
That is definitely something I would think about doing to my car. Plus if you think about it should have more power if you do the pulley mod, you would be very close to 300 hp......
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2002 MCS
Dark Silver/White Roof
MINI Madness 15% pulley, Pilo Intake,
Milltek Header with racing cat, Milltek catback exhaust, ported and polished intake manifold and intercooler air ducts.
More to come soon.
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2002 MCS
Dark Silver/White Roof
MINI Madness 15% pulley, Pilo Intake,
Milltek Header with racing cat, Milltek catback exhaust, ported and polished intake manifold and intercooler air ducts.
More to come soon.
#47
Definently interesting setup, looks well engineered.
Other means combining both..? Centrifugal Superchargers: Belt driven and geared to spin around 30k rpm. Supercharger linear power with the hit of turbo performance.
Everybody talks up turbo lag like its an hour long or something. It would be if the charger your using is too large, but thats usually never the case for a street application. Even then, thats why big turbo people invest in nitro... to light them turbos. For street apps, if there is time to think about lag while its lagging, you have a problem.
Twinned, looks good. I may question the methods but at least you did it.
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-goin440 IB/IB MC
Other means combining both..? Centrifugal Superchargers: Belt driven and geared to spin around 30k rpm. Supercharger linear power with the hit of turbo performance.
Everybody talks up turbo lag like its an hour long or something. It would be if the charger your using is too large, but thats usually never the case for a street application. Even then, thats why big turbo people invest in nitro... to light them turbos. For street apps, if there is time to think about lag while its lagging, you have a problem.
Twinned, looks good. I may question the methods but at least you did it.
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-goin440 IB/IB MC