Well I am looking into a water meth kit, and was wondering what kind of real numbers adding the kits add. So I have been reading through posts here all day, and still havent got a solid answer on, dyno results, the best mix and setup, and if anybody has even had any problems since instalation.

I figured I would start a database on real opinions of what is the best kit, what nozle you are using, and what rpm to start the spray. Also if you could include: dyno numbers, time slips, or timed runs with the system on and off. (Dont forget to list other mods that have a big impact on power production)

Thanks in advance for posting, I know I am not the only one here that is intrested.

 

I agree where is the proof that the water/ meth kits make a faster Mini?

Tuners of other makes of turbo cars can tune to make power with a tune for the water/meth kits but if Mini tuners were able to take advantage of the water/ meth kits (beyond the aprox 10Hp from kit on a stock tune) we would see some proof by now I would think.

Maybe in the future a tuner will figure out how to produce performance gains using a water/meth kit on the turbo Mini but right now the process seems really slow.

 

Great thread
I searched everywhere to find what was the best kit, here is my dyno chart


05 JCW R53 with
Thumper head
Thumper ported intake manifold
M7 16% + 2% pulleys
GTT headers
DFIC
Custom IC water sprayer
Haltech interceptor with dual switchable maps (one for meth one without)
have an alky control custom meth kit http://alkycontrol.com/
I have played around with the kit a lot,and finally finally settled on an M2 nozzle (2GPH ~ 120ml/min) post IC and an extra nozzle M1 (1GPH ~60ml/ml) pre SC.
I installed mine in the boot and I think this is the best way to go. I also don't like the idea of having a pump inside the car as when the pumps fail they leak.
I run 100% meth with dual maps via a Haltech interceptor, I can jump between the 2 maps with a flick of a switch.
Spray on 6psi max 12psi

Here are the pics
Reservoir (Jaz fuel cell)

Boot install

Pump mounted under car

Controller (dual map switch)

Under hoop pics



D-MAN's meth tips
Don't use a check valce get a quality solenoid instead
and as to what % of meth to run - play around with it and see what works, also play around with nozzles

The evidence is scarce at best I have yet to see any before and after dyno's using the aquamist kit which the majority of people on NAM think is the best....

I have also tried a second hand aquamist HFS-2 kit and it made less on the dyno - I did not however play around with it long - did a rough install had it on the dyno got the guys at the shop to tune it saw the results and went back to my old system.
All the talk that the IDC kits are superior and easier to tune was not what I found, if you have a good pump based kit with a solenoid you can get good results
However bottom line while meth kits are a great mod for the mini they are NOT hp makers

 

I have heard Jan say you must run pure meth (to increase octane) to see much of a change...water/meth combo cools the intake charge a bit, but does little to add hp...pure meth adds octane and cools...
One tip/suggestion....
If you run water/meth do not IMO run windshield washer fluid...this is suggested by one kit maker...it is a water/meth combo, but the water is often very hard...full of minerals, and when the water evaporates will crystalize, and leave hard chunks of debris in the oil+intake tract, causing excessive wear...if you want to run water meth, buy 100 meth and mix it with demineralized water(distilled)...we do it this way in aviation for water meth application, or buy it premixed....

 

+1 on not using Wiper fluid.

Washer fluid= water+meth

Water=clear
Meth=clear
water+meth=blue?

I don't know about you, but my engine wasn't built to run on blue.

And thats just what you can see.

 

I added a Alky Control system to my car after the last tune so this is strictly untuned results.

After stop and go traffic and sitting a bit my intake temp was 134.

Armed the system , accelerated hard up onto the fwy and four gears later intake temp 66 degrees .

Ambient temp 92 degrees.

This was the main reason I added this to my car as a way of being " nice " to it during those hot So Cal cyn cruises .

Randy
M7 tuning

 

^ nice meth kit Randy

 

Thanks but you are the one that actually maximized its potential.I just put it on with the company recommendations and rode off into the sunset LOL . Good quality stuff from tank to nozzle though. Not a plastic tube or tank in
sight

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

That is a sweet setup Randy.
What are you guys's thoughts on the Devil's Own system and their controll box? And does anybody know where I can get a custom tank to fit over my batery box delete plate? (Can I use an aluminum tank)

 

I have no personal knowledge of the Devils Own system but others on this board do so I can not comment on that product. As for tanks and if you can use aluminum or not I would check out the Alky Control site, http://www.alkycontrol.com/info/failsafe.html ,as there is a ton of good non biased info there. Personally I took his recommendation and went with a true leak proof fuel cell as the meth is highly flammable as we all know and I did not want to rely on a converted windshield wiper fluid container or worse as a container . The same goes for he plastic lines that some systems use to transfer the meth from the pump, thru the car and into the intake . Also Julio , the owner , is a great guy to chat with if you want to give him a call .

Randy
m7 Tuning

 

No it will corrode over time

 

I wonder if you could spray a layer of laquer or even paint that resists the methanol.....that way you could have the custom tank.

 

you could get it anodised - this will provide some "resistance" and slow down the process, but you will still get corrosion. Also the lower the % of meth the slower it will happen

 

So last night after signing off, I checked out ALKY's website. They have some good stuff. So far they are the only ones I have found that: Offer stainless lines instead of plastic (even though it is an extra cost item), Their kits come with a 3 gallon tank (other sizes are also avalable) and There controller uses its own built in MAP sensor. Other than that the other kits are just about the same, for a little less money.

I sent an email to one of my buddies asking about an aluminum tank and, he said go ahead and do it. It would take YEARS for straight methonol to corode through the walls of the tank, its kinda like everybodys fears of running E85 through a rubber fuel line. He also said "A chemical resistant paint could be coted on the inside if it makes you feel any better." So it looks like that mellon on your shoulders is working Zippy.

I think I am going to keep looking, and iorn out all the prices before I decide what kit to install. I need to keep weight in mind (I finally got the car balanced just about the way I like it and dont want to add a bunch of weight in the wrong spot.) And I want something that looks kinda crazy but still clean.

 

Methanol will corrode aluminium - not only is it scientific fact but I have seen this first hand ....while it may take "years" to dissolve the whole tank through, you are going to have alot of corroded metal particles floating around in your aluminium tank, the corrosion process starts immediately.These can clog the solenoid/nozzle or get into the engine.

If you are going to do a aluminium tank use a bladder inside

ATL will do custom tanks
http://atlinc.com/2010_Race_Catalog/index.html
http://atlinc.com/2010_Race_Catalog/page19.html
they recommend using a bladder inside aluminium tanks to prevent corrosion

 

Randy, what is that carbon fiber intake piece? Is M7 getting out of the R53 business?

 

For the AGS

 

Clint, there is quite a bit of carbonfiber stuff on Randy's car. I have seen quite a few pictures of it, and it's one bad little MINI. If you are refering to the pice that D-man and me are thinking it is the heat shield on the old M7 AGS system, some where fiberglass but they made quite a few in C/F aswell. The AGS has been discontinued for quite some time, every now and then though one will pop up used. It was IMO one of the better intake systems, just because it got rid of the stock crappy plastic S/C inlet tube that is really odd shaped and has internal diameters that are all over the place. The AGS made the S/C super loud, only down side was the location of the filter tended to suck in a lot of heat which is why the heat shield was created. IMO if they where to bend the aluminum tube at the throttle body so you could use it with either the stock or any aftermarket intake it would be better, and I know they would sell atleast one.

 

I am aware of the AGS system, I have tried to buy one because that sound is unique and fun. I did not know it came with a nifty carbon fiber intake heat shield! I want one.

 

I just got a stage 2 ALKY system ordered, we will see how it does when I get home.

 

Well done You will really like the quality of the components . Also between Julio and Dman you will be able to have any questions you may have answered fully.

Randy
m7 Tuning

 

I shuld be back in the states and have it installed by Christmas.

 

Time to bump this up and see the latest on Meth Injection.

 

Just to clarify the difference here as no one has so far.

Water injection increases the Dept. threshold of the fuel/air mixture. To get the most out of a water injection system you really ahve to tune to take advatange of it. So you need to increase the timing.

With Methanol injection you are actually doing 2 things. First you are cooling the intake charge down. this cooling happens becuase the methanol want to be a gas at room temp. Therefore in the hot intake track the methanol readily turn to gas and this provides a good cooling effect. Secondaly the methanol also ads a little octane to the fuel/air mixture.

That might not make an sence, i have been awake for over 30hours now! lol

Thanks,

Chris.

 

I havent got the car on the dyno yet but, after playing around with mixes and nozzle sizes, plus fixing some glitches, I am verry satisfied with the system. The whole setup process went someting like this:


I ended up using a 3 gph nozzel, with the system starting at 5psi and peaking at 10. I am tinking about adding a 1 gph pre S/C sometime this spring or summer. The tune and system ON/OFF dyno sheets are coming soon.