Here is a blurb from their website- seems like a simple system any feedback



Welcome o Alcohol Injections Systems Trunk Mount Systems
Trunk Mount Systems <DIV class=pditem>Stage 1 Competition Trunk Mount Water Methanol Injection SystemAIS Stage 1 Competition Trunk Mount Water Alcohol Injection SystemHere it is for the ultimate in ease of installation and convenience! Our Stage 1 adjustable boost activated trunk mount system is our most popular system ever and for good reason. With an installation time as quick as 60-90 minutes yo... $419.99

 

I guess no one has used these guys??

 

"BeBop": GOOD TIMING !! I JUST ordered the #1 system after a "lengthy " talk w/ owner / designer----"Rodney" GOOD guy after a kind of "unstable" start !! This thing sounds and appears to be PERFECT and the #1 system is basicly MADE for Minis !! They (ais) have them "in " ALL over the world. Rodney used S Africa as an example of performance w/ minis (lots of em ) bad gas / hot climate !! They (s.af) LOVE them !! SOLD----------I'll have it in within the next 2 weeks and send you a shot. I'm w/a cooled now after a VERY bad experience w/alta & this system should really finish things off (for a bit) 05----"EVERYTHING"--- but Jans "new stuff" and this thing !!

 

COOL- thanks look forward to it- gary

 

Do they have something to automatically retard your timing if you run out of meth? I think some other kits have that built in as a failsafe.

 

It all depends on the fuel & h.p----------the best w/ this kit is running wiper fluid (peake) or equal (-20f) than there is no re-tune------nothin so your obc / ecu takes care as normal. Minis don't require any more than this set up---its good to app 800 hp and the correct nozzle is sent w/ the kit to match the fuel; in this case -20f wiper fluid--- pretty much "bullet proof" . Then again it is a "SPEED THING" so you takes your chances but they (asi) have it WAYYY figrd out !!

 

There are a few different levels of meth kit out there - what you buy should be based on what you want it to do - what you objectives are.

Inexpensive boost controlled kits like the AIS and others are fine for spraying small amounts for primarily intake charge cooling. They don't require a retune - in fact I would NOT even try to tune for one of these kits - and they add a margin of safety and performance with modded engines - but since you're not tuning "with" the meth, you don't need a failsafe to change anything "without" the meth.

To get BIG benefits, you need a pulse-width controlled kit to provide a predictable and controllable amount of meth such that the car can be tuned to it. These kits are a good bit more expensive. RMW has a custom Aquamist kit that is in this league. Many people have tried to get to this point with the boost controlled kits... and it just doesn't do the same thing.

I run a Devil's Own kit (boost controlled, very similar to the AIS) with good results. But I understand it's limitations.

 

Couldn't agree more ,yours & mine are really the same --I just prefer my tank and "future" options !! (which are endlessss)

 

I've never seen the AIS kit. It seems like it is well done. We have installed the Howerton Engineering/RMW/Aquamist kit. It is extremely well designed and executed with good instructions and support. The trick tank snicks into the trunk, using existing brackets at the driver's side, and is shielded to protect it from stuff rattling around during hard driving. It's worth a look.

 

That IS a way nice system! My tank fits behind the passenger seat w/ rear seat delete-- just a preference thing (nobodys ever there anyway) and I still got enough "hillbilly" in me to HAVE to carry "things " in the back ! alcoholinjectionsystems.com After doin ALOT of research-I think they're all about the same --fittment / $$--- kinda all boils down to ''preference"---------3 gals------single nozzle pointing down at the throttle body and "rotrex" adaptable when & if --- JAN::???

 

How much of a hp gain would you expect if you had the standard mods and were running around 180-200 whp?

Is the meth continuously injected or does is just inject when throttle increases?

How long does 1 tanks last?

So many questions.

Maybe someone should changes this website
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugI...ces/index.html
I would expect more smiles.

 

Doesn't look bad for a basic kit. I do like the option of different lines.

 

H.P gains app 10 /15 % (perfect world) w/a ic-- "injection" w/ throttle set -------follow that site above Mines NOT straight meth---it's -20 deg wiper fluid !! Clean & EZ-----nozzles are preset for fuel type / changeable but NOT adjustable------NO need anyway---------till---------------JAN???

 

I think your hp. gains are on the high side. 10% with washer fluid ???????
Maybe with straight meth or a very high mixture.

 

SUPR CHGD not turbo----------"eaton friendly"---------water to air IC already-----I'm NO sales man-----------alcoholinjectionsystems.com / "Rodney"-------- OVER & OUT !! hey gary--YOU started this !! Happy?? heh heh

 

Good answers, thanks. So just out of curiosity, would anyone run 87 octane with meth injection? Obviously you wouldn't have the same benefit as with 93 or 91 octane.

 

In theory 87 "should" work as the oct rating goes up as the temps go down. kinda "self defeating" as that is certainlly NOT the purpose most would be after as an "end result". But thats why they make vanilla & chocolate it's said !! Personally I'll never know-but it's not without merit. As far as the wiper fluid vs straight meth-------the straight stuff IS evaporated before it gets to it's target point. The "mix" adds time /"vehicle" as the water"carries" the fuel TO the target point as a mix. Just really a "gift" to us R-53 people that this mix works out perfectly with the EATON m45 (twin screw ) supercharger!! NOT the same in other apps its just the "physicalities" of the whole picture--short distance / less "boost rpm" (non turbo) . But they cover that too !! by adding a second nozzle on the "back side". The Minis don't need that (s/c) and its of no benefit (fortunately); so "we" can max out the design of the cheaper unit and still be well below its final capabilities w/added goodies req'd by big HP ENGINES (ABOVE 800HP) is what it says and they have a bunch of "big block " boys out there to prove it. We'll see as this IS gonna go on for quite a while it appears !! GARY ?? p.s. YES !!! with the "thread name change" that meth thread IS SICK !! Like O.M.G !!

 

I have tried to get a hold of the guys at AIS but they did not return my e/m or my phone call?? maybe just busy but not good customer service BEFORE the sale====

 

Yeah Man----I agree -I shot them off an e- mail earlier today cuz they were "supposed" to contact me--------nuthin !!?---dunno- but after dealing w/ them I'd say something trully happened------really don't seem "that" type !! Then again------------?? 2010-welcome----geez

 

Very true

No entirely true. I have a custom alky control boost based system and I have has a meth tune for nearly 2 years with no problems. I am however running dual maps via a Haltech interceptor and can change maps on the "fly".

I am yet to see any definitive evidence that the IDC kits can provide "better" performance than pump based kits. I have not "seen" a before and after meth tune from one of these. I do not know why members who have neen tuned for meth using these kits have not posted any dyno charts. I would be interested to see what differeces there are say compared to my meth tune via a boost based kit.

 

Hey D-Man,

I "have" tried both type system. I'm not here to start a debate but just give my $.02.

Like you, I was totally happy with my boost controlled system. I played with it a lot and thought it was really good.

After talking over and over with Jeff Howerton (with out a doubt the mini meth expert). I sold my old system and went with the "made for mini" Aquamist system which runs off injector duty cycle. Jeff's enthusiasm was infectious and I went ahead and sold my old system so I could try the Aquamist system. I was fortunate enough to go for my first drive with Jeff. I was blow away . The difference was unbelievable. You could feel the difference in every gear. This was 1 hour before the car was dyned. First pull on the dyno the car pulled 20hp more. It was the same tune with the only change being the new system. Another 12hp was seen after the tune but I think that was do to a better tune. The system acts like a 5th injector.

So... like you I thought my boost type system was great. Now that I've tried both I would only recommend one. Aquamist

Longboard

 

Thats cool and thanks for the input...I would like to try a IDC type system and compare it to my current set up.
However I would like to see what gains can be made with a M45, as I am yet to see any data. Your set up is slightly different to most other minis out there

 

Based on the results Ian has seen on his M45 car, I'm pretty confident that the advantages of IDC-based systems carry over to those as well (in fact, probably MORE SO... because of the less-linear nature of boost-to-fueling with the M45 vs. the Rotrex.

D-Man - I scratched my head about this for a LONG time... and had a LOT of discussion with Jeff about the reasons why IDC is better for our cars - Pretty simple, really - anything that can meter the amount of meth to the amount of Fuel is gonna do better than something that spraying a fairly constant amount of meth across a wide range of fuel amounts (which is what ALL the boost controlled systems do).

So I stand by the assertion - boost controlled systems are FINE if your primary objective is a little auxiliary cooling of the intake air. But if you want optimal benefits, the spray has to be matched to the fueling... and only IDC based systems can provide that.

 

LONGBOARD & D-MAN : "oUR ONLY (RELIABLE) DYNO IS LOCATED APP 2OO MI AWAY IN HILLS BORO HR--I'M IN gLIDE-----tHINK SAN LUIS OBISPO tO l.a. i'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO GET THIS DONE AT psi ON THEIR new DYNO JET AND will POST THE READINGS AS I'VE GOT CURRENT UN-"ASSISTED" CHARTS ALREADY; JUST GOTTA GET THE LOGISTICS & TIME TOGETHER I wanna know too !! And I DON'T want to see ANYONE buy this thing if it doesn't produce !! It IS quite possible that they (ais) have already become "intimidated" as we had a period of "non-communication" yesterday (fri/26th) cuz I'm SURE they got a bunch of queries. They ARE a quite small outfit for what they say they've got out there so maybe "overwhelmed" ?? Dunno-but I'm the "pig" in this "guinea" deal and I WILL SQUEAL !! Just gimme some time------- and THANK YOU for the input (it sounds EXACTLY like talking to the owner/designer "raymond") COOL BRO

 

Fair enough, and in theory I agree.

However I have yet to see any hard data to support this assumption,

As far as performance parts go everyone wants performance data fo the majority of aftermarket parts eg. heads, headers

When it comes to meth kits particularly the IDC kits I have seen none.... if a certain vendor had data for before and after dyno runs pre and post meth tune why hasn't it been showN? If the gains were that great I would have thought that it would have been posted all over NAM by now

And to say that you can't tune for boost based meth kits is missleading...you can