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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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To Cam or Not To Cam?

I have been thinking about a cam from rmw as my next mod. Jan suggested the cam over a header in an MCSa. Anyone have the rmw street cam? Any thoughts? Pros versus Cons?
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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A cam will most definitely show you more of a gain than a header. With the mods you currently have I think a cam is a logical next step. As to what cam to get, I would get something your tuner likes.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 04:35 PM
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My shipment is due to arrive next week and I'll be able to tell you the differences in a month after my install.

My comments will be based on the fact that I already have a Supersprint headers with hi-flow cat and the cam (+injectors and remote tune) is coming on top of it
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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I have the RMW/Newman Cam and the RMW header. I had both installed at the same time there was definately a huge gain in performance
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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I got the rmw remote tune about 3 months ago.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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After 2 cams I am running the RMW/Newman. Gotta say I love the change in the power band.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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Wzabrouski,
Notice you have an auto also. I have similar mods compared to yours. Decided to go the route of the cam since didn't care for the loudness of a header. Added the RMW cam and the 380 injectors at the same time. Much more torque at the lower and mid range RPMs. Go for it.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
After 2 cams I am running the RMW/Newman. Gotta say I love the change in the power band.

Which other cams did you run, and how did they compare to the Newman?
 
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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I really like my cam. Transformed my car.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:18 PM
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I really like my cam. Transformed my car.
Cool, your mods are similar to my '03. I have stock injectors and Alta c'back,
the only difference.

Transformed your car how? Low end off the line? Top end? Out of a corner?
All the above??!!
 
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by miniconcarne
Cool, your mods are similar to my '03. I have stock injectors and Alta c'back,
the only difference.

Transformed your car how? Low end off the line? Top end? Out of a corner?
All the above??!!
from about 3.9k to redline

My car used to be lacking there.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 04:48 AM
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Yep.... on an MCSa the Newman/RMW cam is a great mod. LOVE mine. I added the cam first, then the header later - the cam made an immediately noticeable difference in midrange torque. The header made an immediately noticeable difference in noise.

But I need a re-tune to really get any gain out of the header.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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i like my cam too
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Chase
i like my cam too
lol. awesome.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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i dont see a reason not to cam...

when i do my pulley and tune the cam is also going in do it all at once. injectors too. if the time comes a head and headers too.

what are the down sides of a cam? mpg? reliablity?
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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the best thing i did was to fit the nitrostick cam it just transformed my car.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Have the RMW street cam. It's great. Good idle, stronger mid-upper range than stock. Nothing negative to say. You will notice a difference in the power, especially if you get it tuned later.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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so people that just slap the cam in with a 15% and intake dont see any negative affects with mpg or idol issues?

seems sweet to me just adding to the excitement to getting one.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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so people that just slap the cam in with a 15% and intake dont see any negative affects with mpg ......
Doing all that you probably will notice a drop in MPG, as your foot will be exploring all the newfound power.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Some cars (mine included) have a *little* lope at idle with the cam. Nothing major - but mine definitely lopes a bit between 800-1000 RPM. Sexy IMHO. But if your expectation is "any change in idle is bad" then you might be disappointed.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by davisflyer
Doing all that you probably will notice a drop in MPG, as your foot will be exploring all the newfound power.
i already put my foot to the floor too much because the car is painfully slow compared to my most recent last cars lol.... but i cant wait to waste gas in this car with more mods haha

wait wait not waste gas but use in a respectful pleasing manor haha

Originally Posted by BlimeyCabrio
Some cars (mine included) have a *little* lope at idle with the cam. Nothing major - but mine definitely lopes a bit between 800-1000 RPM. Sexy IMHO. But if your expectation is "any change in idle is bad" then you might be disappointed.
the lope is expected in my book. i am just seeing if on normal driving shifting at no later than 4k would the cam increase fuel consumption drastically? i would expect there would be more fuel consumption but the question is how much?

also a question regarding fuel injectors... are they needed or help a tuner when a cam is installed?

ideally in the near future after i get winter tires/ rims i want to do the pulley and cam at the same time i am just seeing if i should use injectors too. the tune will come later after either a head or headers. or both. just need to talk to a local tuner here and see if he is ready for a mini project... no pun intended haha
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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cam first? or header first? THAT'S the question.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrCooperS
cam first? or header first? THAT'S the question.
from everything i have read i am sold on cam first.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 03:02 AM
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Cam first. The header does very little unless you first "open up" the engine to breathe better with the cam.

Injectors are not required to benefit from the cam - nor is a custom tune - though both can help.

I've always gotten the same crappy gas mileage in my car pretty much regardless of the mod package. All a function of how I drive.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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Anyone have any sound/video clips of MINIs loping at idle due to a different cam? I'd like to hear that ... just curious.
 
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