Thank you Kalbone .

I have said this before but just get hammered when I do. When you have an incredible spike in the power band it's really hard to not spin the tires.

Driveability - Drivability -Drivability

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Yeah there some head banging going on with N/A motors thats for sure, you have to have a large wallet to go fast and like rpm,

My favourite UK bug is now in the USA with its English owner looks like a stock convertible but has gone a best of 9.33@147 and wheels up for 300ft and drives it to the track It is Turbo'd though so you might not like it LB.

http://www.offdrc.co.uk/downloads.htm Its the beige one


Yeah you're right LB I'm sure the w/m would help out with IAT and I'm sure we will experiment end of / next year with it for drag racing / track days but unfortunatley not Time Attack

 

This is a good attempt to spin the numbers but you know how it really works. To get a MINI on the dyno to perform 5 runs in a row all within 1% would be very difficult with the nature of the car. I honestly can't recall was the second highest number was on that day over a year ago, just that the average of multiple runs were pulled lower due to the nature of the car and heatsoak. Seeing as though you won't post any dynos it's hard to tell where you are at, isn't it. You know the UK Dynapack is within 1-2% of the Dynapack at Churches, so you have a good benchmark.

You're main goal seems to be to call the RMW numbers into question when the fastest car you have had at the track was an RMW car on street tires. The only way you have beaten it is with nitrous. You have the proof in the palm of your hand. The turbo car ran 13.8 on slicks. There's a good way to go to pass 13.1.

Most people would think that a 231whp car that runs 13.1 at the strip on street tires would be far surpassed by a 330whp car on slicks. But that hasn't happened yet. Will it ever happen? I'm sure everyone, including your customer, is eager to see if you could get that turbo car down to the mid twelves where the time and effort would seem to point where it should be.

You could always put a full RMW package on the car, I'm sure it would go faster than 13.8.

P.S. I haven't seen any vendor post multiple dyno plots as you are asking for. Wouldn't be like some oddball 20hp cam gain that's been floating around here, would it? Or maybe some 330hp claim from the UK?

 

Or maybe something like this:

"My 2002 Cooper S has an ALTA 15%, intake, and JCW 380cc injectors. Last week at RMW it pulled:

190 hp/168 tq baseline
213 hp/178 tq tuned.

= 23hp and 10 tq gain"


213 hp with a pulley and tune

 

its very fun to lay rubber down when goin 50+mph...

 

I have never laughed so hard while riding in a MINI doing just this It was pretty fun I told you to do it again and you said huhahaha no I don't want to get pulled over

 

I can see the turbo car being a lot of fun on a roll-on once you hit boost and such. Very fast. In other instances it seems to be a bit of a handful to reel in and make quick.

 

Yep pisses me off my Gp only pulled 180 stock so should I sue BMW?

You knew this thread was missing something but now the pieces are starting to show up

 

Yep and I still have that video because I was there. His car made really good power, but drag racing is not that easy as people think. Time doesn't wait for you when you make mistakes (i.e. excessive wheel spin, missing gears, shifting too soon due to wheel spin etc).

 

My power band doesn't allow that but I would love to see the guys face next to you when you do that to him .

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Big Howe In your drag racing world the fastest car was Emma driving the Mini for the first time with a Thumper 2 head and Newman cam and a KMT11% Janspeed manifold and Borla Cooper cat back, she run a 13.35,

 

Just as well Hubie didn't give up because his first twin charge customer couldn't run quicker than 14.2

 

Yep you are right and we all know this but for the longest time Paul has argued another story. We have tried to explain it to him but it he is set in his way which is fine. If we all believed the same thing we couldn't have all this fun.

Hey I wanted to ask you (not trying to start ****). I was reading D-Sport and saw you are the head tuner for Dynamic Auto Sports. The mag had you tune a their pic of car of the year The new Evo. They did a cool test adding parts and dynoing after each mod. The gains were pretty good for each. Then they had you tune it to pull it all together. They said you got 15hp and 2ftlb's which surprised me as I know you've tuned Evo's in the past. Is that what guys are getting out of a tune on an Evo? I would have thought with the new mods on the car the tune would have come back with more but I don't know the EVO.

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You are always looking for negative stuff, you need to re-read the article again.

 

So are you say this guys car was magical or something? With a baseline of almost 45 hp over stock, with only a pulley? BMW must have accidentally slipped in a BV head or something?

 

It was my car that went 2 tenths faster than the turbo car ...


...but I must correct you, mini-morgan did not spend $16k on the conversion (I believe), its the other car being built thats had the fortune spent on it (royster). If you look at the youtube videos of morgans car you will see how much of a beast it is, even using slicks he couldnt get decent traction off the line. The way the power is delivered on morgans car is not my cup of tea (I have seen the dyno graphs at 1320) but I would like to experience it.

 

As I've said many times before MPH / weight = Horsepower, forget the ET.


Tell Austin Coil that, bet he swallows his toothpic laughing so hard.....

 

Congrats on the time, I'm sure yours will only get quicker as well. You have bragging rights unit the next matchup.

 

I wasn't looking for anything Jay. I sitting on my toilet reading my D-Sport and saw your name in the article. I don't know a thing about Evo's and just thought this seamed low. I will re-read the article tonight to try and understand what I missed .

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It seems you and Paul would have a significant disagreement then. He has strongly defended the position that drag racing is a better judge of power than the dyno. Make two runs down the strip within 1% and viola!

It appears with the cases in front of us that may not be the case.

Many of us argued that there are too many variables in drag racing to tell the whole story.........

 

Yeah he proberly would, but imagine what John would say I wonder how many company names he would get in as well though

I do chase ET but I also chase mph as well

 

this still going on?

 

That's why some people are scared to drag race because of these variables. Road racing is more forgiving due to fact you have several laps to make up for your mistakes.

 

Oh I know why you have a problem with those numbers . Care to share yours JIMINNI?

LB

 

Thing is Paul you keep trying to use the 1/4 mile as a measuring stick to compare horsepower/mods/tune/etc as if a 1/4 mile of asphalt is a 1/4 mile of asphalt wherever it is.. Way to many varibles; altitude, humidity, temps, condition of the asphalt itself just to name a few to use this... If it were true Mr Coil would tell John's boys how he wants the engines built and then sit back in his easychair and watch the NHRA season go by...

Basically the same thing Jan's been trying to say I think about dyno's and when and where you do them and the METH gives a more consistant reading because the IT's are more consistant... Correct me if I'm wrong Jan.