Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain HOLY CRAP! I knew it would work, but I didn't expect this well!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:08 PM
  #51  
Oxybluecoop's Avatar
Oxybluecoop
6th Gear
15 Year Member
iTrader: (-1)
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 5
From: Delaware
Originally Posted by purplehaze05mcs
Maybe others prefer to spend $100 on a big *** stripe that will make their mini go fast, that's their business.
AKA VHP
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:14 PM
  #52  
Fatherdeth's Avatar
Fatherdeth
6th Gear
20 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,707
Likes: 2
From: Navarre, FL
Originally Posted by purplehaze05mcs
And also, 99.99% of us took the risk of plunking down 300 bucks for something that we think makes sense that boosting the signal to the throttle might eliminate the lag and we're willing to find out if it's gonna work...just like other mods. There's no.."let me try it first, before I buy my own!" Maybe others prefer to spend $100 on a big *** stripe that will make their mini go fast, that's their business.
So true!! As I've said before, I've seen people spend more $$$ on carbon fiber $#!+, and I'm not talking about bonnets and hatches. You'll always have your skeptics. Luckily for me, this thing cured my problem.
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:34 PM
  #53  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
This isn't really correct.

Originally Posted by not-so-rednwhitecooper
It doesn't directly change throttle response, it manipulates a vital signal to the ECU to make the throttle body react faster.
The e-gas pedal is a very simple device. It has a cam that rotates a coupled pair of potentiometers so that there is a swept voltage created as you depress the gas pedal. All the sprint booster does is remap that curve. Two pots are used for redundancy so it's save (with just one pot, if it were to go to Vsupply from an internal short, the ECU would think the car is always floored. With two it can do a check of one against another to see if the readings make sense. FWIW, the throttle body has a pair of position sensors that work exactly the same way...)

While the electronics on this part are very easy to do and not that expensive, what you're paying for is the making of the molds to clone the factory connectors. I tried to get some factory connectors from the manufacturer (different one, but same supplier) and found out that the part numbers you see on the connectors in the car have BMW/MINI specific stuff on them and will only be sold to BMW/MINI. To get a "generic" version of the connector I wanted was a minimum 10,000 part order.

Now the connector used on the Mini one shows up in BMWs as well, but it's still a large investment to get the factory equivalent connectors to make it plug and play.

There will be no harm from the installation of the unit, but it will be personal preference as to if you like it or not.

Matt

ps, sometime factory settings are pretty conservative. Some Mustangs had a pause in the ECU to keep everyone from smoking tires. One of the largest drivers for ECU tunes for these models was to get rid of the factory hesitation. Another way to think of this is a "sport" button for cars that didn't come with one!
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 10:25 PM
  #54  
herbie hind's Avatar
herbie hind
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,339
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
The e-gas pedal is a very simple device. It has a cam that rotates a coupled pair of potentiometers so that there is a swept voltage created as you depress the gas pedal. All the sprint booster does is remap that curve. Two pots are used for redundancy so it's save (with just one pot, if it were to go to Vsupply from an internal short, the ECU would think the car is always floored. With two it can do a check of one against another to see if the readings make sense. FWIW, the throttle body has a pair of position sensors that work exactly the same way...)

While the electronics on this part are very easy to do and not that expensive, what you're paying for is the making of the molds to clone the factory connectors. I tried to get some factory connectors from the manufacturer (different one, but same supplier) and found out that the part numbers you see on the connectors in the car have BMW/MINI specific stuff on them and will only be sold to BMW/MINI. To get a "generic" version of the connector I wanted was a minimum 10,000 part order.

Now the connector used on the Mini one shows up in BMWs as well, but it's still a large investment to get the factory equivalent connectors to make it plug and play.

There will be no harm from the installation of the unit, but it will be personal preference as to if you like it or not.

Matt

ps, sometime factory settings are pretty conservative. Some Mustangs had a pause in the ECU to keep everyone from smoking tires. One of the largest drivers for ECU tunes for these models was to get rid of the factory hesitation. Another way to think of this is a "sport" button for cars that didn't come with one!
as usual a great explaination thx .
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 11:06 PM
  #55  
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
Banned
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 3
From: Fresno Ca.
So I am thinking of getting one of these things My question is, since I am going to be installing a BV head, a cam and getting a tune, should I wait to see how my car is after all that? Or get one before the tune and mods so it can be on the car during the tune?
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 11:24 PM
  #56  
Some Guy's Avatar
Some Guy
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,798
Likes: 11
From: CT
Uhg, I would kill for a schematic of this thing.
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2009 | 11:36 PM
  #57  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
Originally Posted by JIMINNI
...I am going to be installing a BV head, a cam and getting a tune, should I wait to see how my car is after all that? Or get one before the tune and mods so it can be on the car during the tune?
The Sprint Booster does not emulate a tune, and a tune can’t replicate the effect of a Sprint Booster. The SB will not corrupt the tuning process; it’s a non-issue there. If you have the money now, install the SB and enjoy. Pull the SB module before the tune and/or parts install to be reminded of what a dog the stock pedal is like, experience the enhancements improving VE and/or tune will provide, then re-introduce yourself to the driving pleasure the SB provides. Or you can save yourself a let down by never removing the SB again; driving with a stock pedal is so disappointing without one once you know better.
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 12:06 AM
  #58  
Oxybluecoop's Avatar
Oxybluecoop
6th Gear
15 Year Member
iTrader: (-1)
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 5
From: Delaware
For those on the fence about trying it buy it from MINIMANIA and if it's as useless as the few folks here have stated return it and get you money back but be sure to let us know in your own thread that it didn't do chit. Then you can spend the money on a pair of these to make it easier to mash the pedal down faster.
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 02:36 AM
  #59  
Mini-Morgan's Avatar
Mini-Morgan
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
From: Southampton, England
So essentially the pedel isnt linear then? starts off slow and increases faster? Hmmmm I better go for a play and find out! im interested now!
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 04:34 AM
  #60  
Rott's Avatar
Rott
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
If I Would Have Known the reaction the sprint booster had made. it would have been my first mod!
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 07:42 AM
  #61  
Mike@Mynes's Avatar
Mike@Mynes
Banned
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by JIMINNI
So I am thinking of getting one of these things My question is, since I am going to be installing a BV head, a cam and getting a tune, should I wait to see how my car is after all that? Or get one before the tune and mods so it can be on the car during the tune?
Jim, try to get the tune first before you decide to get this thing. We are always working on the codes and discovering new things to try... we tested the pedal-map adjustments in the ECU during our latest visit to Socal last weekend and the customer reported greater pedal response. These same adjustments will be available to future tunes...

Just for future reference, as we incorporate more features into our custom R53 tunes, the price of these tunes will be adjusted accordingly... the throttle-response is just one of the latest features.

PM or call me for more details :D
cheers.
mike
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 12:37 PM
  #62  
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
Banned
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 3
From: Fresno Ca.
Originally Posted by Mike@Mynes
Jim, try to get the tune first before you decide to get this thing. We are always working on the codes and discovering new things to try... we tested the pedal-map adjustments in the ECU during our latest visit to Socal last weekend and the customer reported greater pedal response. These same adjustments will be available to future tunes...

Just for future reference, as we incorporate more features into our custom R53 tunes, the price of these tunes will be adjusted accordingly... the throttle-response is just one of the latest features.

PM or call me for more details :D
cheers.
mike
Sweet Mike Hubie will be able to do all this correct? I hope to be doing my install in a couple weeks. I will give you a call this week. Jim
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 01:18 PM
  #63  
MrCooperS's Avatar
MrCooperS
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,457
Likes: 7
From: Boston, MA.
Is the sprint booster adjustable? Does it have a on/off switch?

Ever since going to the clutchmasters fx2oo and flywheel kit, I feel that there is extra lag time when I try to get the MINI going. But too much gas can cause wheelspin. But on uphills, the throttle response is slow enough to a point that I stall my MINI occasionally. I want to know if the sprint booster is adjustable, if it is, that should be a awesome product.
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 02:19 PM
  #64  
Fatherdeth's Avatar
Fatherdeth
6th Gear
20 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,707
Likes: 2
From: Navarre, FL
Originally Posted by MrCooperS
Is the sprint booster adjustable? Does it have a on/off switch?

Ever since going to the clutchmasters fx2oo and flywheel kit, I feel that there is extra lag time when I try to get the MINI going. But too much gas can cause wheelspin. But on uphills, the throttle response is slow enough to a point that I stall my MINI occasionally. I want to know if the sprint booster is adjustable, if it is, that should be a awesome product.
No, unfortunately it's not adjustable. It does take some getting use to as well. I don't know if you're experiencing what I did, but it could possibly help you out.
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 02:20 PM
  #65  
Fatherdeth's Avatar
Fatherdeth
6th Gear
20 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,707
Likes: 2
From: Navarre, FL
Originally Posted by OXYBLUECOOP
For those on the fence about trying it buy it from MINIMANIA and if it's as useless as the few folks here have stated return it and get you money back but be sure to let us know in your own thread that it didn't do chit. Then you can spend the money on a pair of these to make it easier to mash the pedal down faster.
+1 and that is absolutely hilarious!!!
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 02:21 PM
  #66  
Fatherdeth's Avatar
Fatherdeth
6th Gear
20 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,707
Likes: 2
From: Navarre, FL
Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
The e-gas pedal is a very simple device. It has a cam that rotates a coupled pair of potentiometers so that there is a swept voltage created as you depress the gas pedal. All the sprint booster does is remap that curve. Two pots are used for redundancy so it's save (with just one pot, if it were to go to Vsupply from an internal short, the ECU would think the car is always floored. With two it can do a check of one against another to see if the readings make sense. FWIW, the throttle body has a pair of position sensors that work exactly the same way...)

While the electronics on this part are very easy to do and not that expensive, what you're paying for is the making of the molds to clone the factory connectors. I tried to get some factory connectors from the manufacturer (different one, but same supplier) and found out that the part numbers you see on the connectors in the car have BMW/MINI specific stuff on them and will only be sold to BMW/MINI. To get a "generic" version of the connector I wanted was a minimum 10,000 part order.

Now the connector used on the Mini one shows up in BMWs as well, but it's still a large investment to get the factory equivalent connectors to make it plug and play.

There will be no harm from the installation of the unit, but it will be personal preference as to if you like it or not.

Matt

ps, sometime factory settings are pretty conservative. Some Mustangs had a pause in the ECU to keep everyone from smoking tires. One of the largest drivers for ECU tunes for these models was to get rid of the factory hesitation. Another way to think of this is a "sport" button for cars that didn't come with one!
You hit the nail on the head. Thanks for a very descriptive insight into this product.
 
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2009 | 05:18 PM
  #67  
mdbsat's Avatar
mdbsat
5th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 605
Likes: 1
From: San Antonio
Originally Posted by Rott
If I Would Have Known the reaction the sprint booster had made. it would have been my first mod!
Ha!!!

I am waiting for mine.....

It does wonders on your car
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 06:36 AM
  #68  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Making this wouldn't be hard...

that had a USB port so you could adjust the map yourself, and a switch to turn it on and off..... But I don't have the factory connectors, so one would have to splice the wiring to get it installed?

any interest? It would be cheaper for sure....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 07:24 AM
  #69  
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
Banned
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 3
From: Fresno Ca.
Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
that had a USB port so you could adjust the map yourself, and a switch to turn it on and off..... But I don't have the factory connectors, so one would have to splice the wiring to get it installed?

any interest? It would be cheaper for sure....

Matt
There are a few guys over on MlU cryin about the price, I said "why don't one of you develop one then" and got ripped BTW, do you know anyone that could do a "one push open" sunroof mod for the R56?
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:08 AM
  #70  
mdbsat's Avatar
mdbsat
5th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 605
Likes: 1
From: San Antonio
Originally Posted by JIMINNI
There are a few guys over on MlU cryin about the price, I said "why don't one of you develop one then" and got ripped BTW, do you know anyone that could do a "one push open" sunroof mod for the R56?
ha! They must be crying because a sprintbooster wont make thier car lower or look cooler

Anyway, I am getting one
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:03 AM
  #71  
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
Banned
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 3
From: Fresno Ca.
Originally Posted by mdbsat
ha! They must be crying because a sprintbooster wont make thier car lower or look cooler

Anyway, I am getting one
let us know what you think One guy said Nitromini took his off? Last I talked to Lynn he said he liked it? With a complete refund, minus shipping, which might cost $8. why the heck not try it I am going to wait, as Mike said, after my install and tune to make that decision.
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:29 AM
  #72  
discodan's Avatar
discodan
5th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,056
Likes: 0
From: West Orange, NJ
keep us posted! now i'm interested too
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 11:16 AM
  #73  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
John Behe’s Custom Performance Tune/flash incorporates changes to TPS maps and what he calls “torque management” features, these areas were modified by John and not available as a DimSport map at the time. These changes were worth the costs associated with that tune/flash regardless of any peak delta achieved. I was very pleased with the improvements in throttle response following his flash. After experiencing the affect I wanted more of a good thing and is why I installed the Sprint Booster on top of it, not because the tune was deficient. Those of you who already have tunes, and think you have all that is available, should re-consider. I’m not saying Mynes’ new tunes can’t get you there, I don’t know because I haven’t experienced it, but for the others don’t dismiss SB’s capabilities just because you’ve had a tune or made real improvements in VE.

I don’t know why mdbsat is being coy, he briefly had one on his car on top of a tune and was suitably impressed, and that’s why he wants one full time.
 
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 12:02 PM
  #74  
mdbsat's Avatar
mdbsat
5th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 605
Likes: 1
From: San Antonio
ha! Am I being coy? Me? Maybe I just dont feel like getting into it with a bunch of people who have NOT even tried this product yet bash it every chance they can. It seems that EVERYtime someone talks about a product people have to come bash and talk crap about it. It gets exhausting. Dont like it? Don't buy it

I await mine with zen-like patience

post script- I tried one this weekend and it was AWESOME. Simply "flooring" it to try and replicate the effects of the SB will NOT do. I had to take off the SB, as it wasnt mine and let me tell you....its not fun having one then having to take it off again.
 

Last edited by mdbsat; Jun 8, 2009 at 12:08 PM. Reason: I like soup.
Reply
Old Jun 8, 2009 | 01:22 PM
  #75  
DrPhilGandini's Avatar
DrPhilGandini
My little dose of LITHIUM
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,435
Likes: 2
From: Albuquerque New Mexico
I keep looking at that throttle response plot

and it provides a *more* linear response, but still not perfectly linear. It seems like if you can adjust parameters to change the shape of the curve, you should be able to make it user-selectable. For the price, I'd hope you could choose from at least a set of response curves, rather than just the one they choose for you. Oh well. I know that the unit Dr Obnxs comes up with will have selectable response curves.
The reason I would want adjustable/selectable response curves is that my accelerator is pretty "twitchy" already. Not an "on-off" switch but no lag at all. I would want something in between I guess.

Let's all pressure Matt and he'll make it for us.

Phil
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:12 PM.