We are talking about which tuner can make the better car for the customer....

our customers drive to the track with the ac on and still set the fastest times

there won't be no handicapping...

 

hmm, we have to keep the AC but not the original motor or the ECU? Then that would put your car out of the 'Street Class'...

So i take it you have the stickers from the factory stating that 2.0L and the AEM ECU are factory components...

 

No.... it's a street car... you think a turbo was there from the factory on a R53? Not sure why you would be worried, you make 635whp on a 1.6L right? Why would you be scared of a 2.0L with a measly supercharger?
Build ANY MINI engine you want........

is it registered and driven to the track?

who is using an AEM? 2.oL is a MINI engine...... just as much as Hubies drag engine

 

Since most customers (95% or higher) use the stock motor and the stock computer, should we do the same and show them what they can do with their current setup? It just make more sense to me...

For someone who doing a full 2.0L and a full standalone, i don't think they would care much about the full interior, AC or power-steering... If we are going to keep it "Street class", then we should stay within the classification.

 

Seems to me stock displacement would be more competitive.

I mean, how many customers are shelling out for a 2L when compared to the bulk of the customers, anyways?

EDIT: lol, it appears Mike and I are on the same wavelength, we posted at the same times.

 

Seems to me you should let me drive both cars to see which is more fun. Then you could do that to my car.

 

For a company pushing a stand alone for the MINI community you'd think you'd want to showcase it for the potential sales.

In the first post you said pick the spec and you'd accommodate, sounds like a bit of backpedaling now.......I thought this was SC vs. Turbo, who is the better tuner?

 

Then Mynes 1000whp Evo is still a Street-legal car b/c it has registration and insurance and can be driven on the streets, but it's not a 'Street Class' car by any standard.

The whole point of this thread is to settle the Turbo Charge vs. the Supercharged argument... and that's the one variable that should be allowed for competition... If i can't use a turbo on a R53 motor, then what's the whole point of you accepting this invitation?

I'm usually kinda slow to catch on to things, but i'm not understanding your argument on this one.

 

you totally misunderstood..... You said the 2.0L wasn't standard in the MINI , I said the turbo wasn't either....

it's a wash..... bring your car

 

The only things that should be constants are the displacement and having the car legally registered with a full interior and a/c.

Everything else should be fair game. ECU tuning should be allowed, as that's in most average people budgets. Some goes for modifications to the forced induction setup. Whether it be a TVS or a turbo, they both probably cost nearly the same.

 

This competition is about Turbo vs. SC... and NOT RMW ECU vs the MEMS... i was taught in my science class when comparing two variables, it's best to keep everything else constant. Let's see who can do better on the Stock ECU...

We've tuned a bunch of standalone EMS throughout the years... from PowerFC, AEM, MoTeC, GEMS... We made MoTeC maps for Evo's and Subaru's from scratch... we know how to really TUNE versus simply adjusting somebody else's GUI Map with predefined tables ... Let's not go down that road... not yet

 

everybody man-up and "run what you brung"

 

Well, I guess the question now is, are you in or out?

I was taught in class when someone challanged you and said pick the game they had enough to back it up.

 

It's not about Manning up, that's beside the point. This is to settle a technical challenge... which one is a better mod, a larger SC or a turbo setup for road racing...

Let's stay focus people... or take some white pills to help concentrate. I know i need to pop a couple

 

I was just thinking...SC vs Turbo is kinda a moot point. We all know how much the turbo'd drag car puts down....and a SC'd Mini will never come close.....2L or not. So what is this really about? Who is the better tuner...straight up? We all know the products RMW puts out....whether its Mini or something else....lets just say Lotus for example. But we all know that Mynes is well-known for the crazy things they make for the import scene. And if you dont...than your bringing a knife to a gun fight. The last few comments just killed it for me....I dont think this is EVER going to pan out...

 

Are you in a position to shell out 3k for an aftermarket ECU? If so, congrats man, your doing good...
But again 95% of the mini's, probably even higher than that are on the stock ECU.

Something wrong now with the "RMW tune" ? Why go to StandALones when this is about Turbo vs. SC? Oh and im still waiting on ya'll definition of a StandALone...

 

Check the expiration date...

 

I'm not the one backing out.... I wasn't the one calling anyone out.....

Mike comes in here , talks big... says pick the battle and we will accommodate.... now all I see and hear is back peddling....

you are right.... Mynes won't show

 

that technique won't work with me, Big Howe... the issue on the table is Turbo vs. SC, you can't just add two more variables (larger displacement motor and EMS) to the equation... that would skew up the results.

 

Must be expired...cause the pills I took from your pad is making me see some crazy talk on here...

 

i thought it was pretty clear that a turbo was a better setup to be on the track. you don't need low end tq as much as you're always just blasting through the upper ends of the gears. Where as an SC'd car will have some fun advantages around town and as a DD. It just so happens you can make them quick as well.

Apples vs. oranges imo. There's a reason there are two different forms of forced induction, they both accomplish the same goals (more power) yet have different side effects along the way. I'm all for a shoot out between competent engine builders going all out, but claiming this is a turbo vs. sc comparison seems pointless. Am i wrong here?

 

This should be fun, if Mynes and RMW ever reach terms!

 

Jan, said I was going to "accommodate" - not bend over...

I'll take your challenge, but i'm not stupid enough to take a knife to a gun fight.

You said SC is better than Turbo, well, let's settle that while keepping everything else constant. You bring a bigger SC and i bring a turbo instead of the stock SC... that seems like a fair trade enough.

I won't agree to the 2.0L vs my 1.6L; or your EMS vs my stock ECU for this battle.

If you want to setup a different venue for Big Motor vs. Big Motor; or your
EMS vs the MEMS, then i will gladly take that challenge in the future.

 

Jan...it came from all the big man on campus talk from earlier. Then it somehow turned into bashing. I dont understand it. Who cares? I will still buy your products....I will still buy Mike's. You guys are well established. Altho I dont personally know you....I know many people personally who have your items on their cars and I hear all the good things being said. I know Mike personally and what he has. This is just getting out of hand. It provides for good entertainment I can tell you that for sure...

 

You said nothing of variables in the first post. In fact, you sounded like you thought you would wipe the floor with RMW, you were sick of the debate and were going to settle this.

Seems to me you have 3 months to build a 2.0 liter and get your MEMS going if you think you need it, or back out now and save everyone the time.

Tuner VS.Tuner, Turbo VS SC, the only stipulation, as clarified earlier, is a registered street car with factory trim.

You in or out?