so the tune will be cheaper for some people than others is what your saying? If so, is that even fair? I'm sorry, but that's not right.

 

lol, im sorry but most, if not all parts are like that?

It all depends on who you buy them from! Try calling DynoComp and get them to quote you a price...then see if your local tuner or whoever your buying it from will price match it.

Take Alta parts for example....or even M7...I've seen part prices for their parts cheaper from various tuning websites than on Alta or M7's own website. It's all very fair my friend, its the nature of business and free enterprise.

A lot of people got their MINI's cheaper than other people too...is that fair? Yes, just shop around till you find the price that you'll feel comfortable spending. More than just one tuner sells EvoTech software...find one that gives you a deal!

 

thats my fault, i thought only MM was selling, I misunderstood. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

Should just order the tune direct from the website:

http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=306


only $849 there...

 

$850.........

I can't believe folks would pay this much for a best guess tune.......

Wait for RMW to get the R56 tune ready.....half the cost and you will actually get the results you pay for.

 

Thats where I did inquire from! He told me 925.00 for tune only when we chatted through email! Now, its 850.00. No thanks, I'll wait for Jan Tune. You say "only 850.00" as if its nothing I know what we are getting is expensive, but seriously, 850.00? Guy said he made 15whp on his clubman. I raised my hp close to 44 to the crank with just bolt ons. There has got to be something better than this. My last thought. Thanks for the wealth of info people have posted here, keep it up.

 

Yep, only 850! I agree this is getting ridiculous, a whole lot of empty promises around here, and a bunch of money for more headaches than it has been worth. Kinda bored with it myself, spent weeks data logging, working on a real cold air intake to resolve the primary issues, and still no-one has the ability to truly tune this motor. Heck if someone could prove they can tune I would gladly fork over a grand or so. Beats the snot out of selling the car and buying something that is tunable, that would cost me alot more than 800 - 900.

 

Why not jump on the group buy from Mini Madness? https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=154098 The only reason I went to Dyno Comp is because they are local. I do not mind spending extra knowing that if there is a problem I have somewhere to go.

But after 2 weeks I am extremely satisfied. No issues at all...car feels great, even faster now that the temps are below 100.

 

Bigshot, please don't take me for a fool. Exactly how long should I wait for RMW? He has NOTHING now and I got the results I paid for.

 

Because I have personally have screwed around enough know that I should wait until at least 10 or 15 cars have been done and see if there are first results, second CEL's. So far I am not impressed, only two people have claim to have it done. One was not impressive for a tune at all. The second, yourself, has yet to post anything other once the weather changed your car ran better... I have that problem already.

 

Give me a break how can you say I haven't posted anything. I provided you with a dyno chart (that was meant to help everyone on this board looking into doing this) and the results after 2 weeks of driving that included a trip to LA and back - what more do you need?

Who was the other tune that was not impressed? All I seen is 3 charts so far:
1- The ones MM provided
2- Mine
3- the other Mini owner who was at Dyno-Comp whose numbers where much better than mine. But that car was nowhere near stock.

 

Really don't want to go down this road, however since you persist, let me spell it out for you.

a scanned image with all the pertinent info, such as the key, and numerical data doesn't really provide me with much value. ( could be anything, what are you hiding?)

As we all know, the vendor's data and info are for sales value, so they do not hold much value.

the other I recall was an R53. aah not the same thing.

and I repeat I already have a crappy tune that runs MUCH better in the cold weather. you have same problems as my less expensive easy to remove option.

So what more do I need:

10 separate independent cars tuned that do not show issues. So far we have zero. (0) You your self said that you only made + 15whp, heck I didn't have to remap my ECU to get that. You also said you have heat troubles, I repeat, I am already there, why pay another grand to go the same place?

 

Wow...let's clear things up

I am only hiding my license plate number. That is nobody's business.

If I have to go back to stock all l I have to do is go back to dyno-comp who will flash my ecu back. Takes 5 mins... That is one of the reasons I will always choose a brink and motor business to deal with.

I NEVER said that I have a temp problem. All FI cars will make more power with colder temps.

The facts are the Plug and Prays do not work on any sophisticated engine managment system. I feel for you if you went down this path. That is why I chose a different route. Fooling the ecu will never work.....

...I think I am done with this thread. I will post another dyno when I get my downpipe and exhaust.

 

Your gains still don't justify the $.

How long have you had your car? RMW has stated he is working on getting the R56 tunable. Don't need to worry about things going wrong if it's done right the first time.

 

I too have been waiting for RMW to get on the R56 tuning since January....I will still hold out for it too.

But come on...why are you giving Monorail a hard time?? I think his gains are decent, and I don't see what the big fuss is about what he paid. He paid for something that he could afford, and quite honestly it was the ONLY decent option out there at the time, AND it gave him the results he wanted.

To think people paid $750 for the Alta PnP bullcrap......now THAT is stupid. He only paid $100 more than that, for something that in my opinion is a much more solid product, and worth every penny more. Plus, he's working with a great shop and will have any support he needs from them. Clearly this is not an easy ECU to tackle so I think that price is completely justified. Software on some other cars can easily get above $1000.

Until someone (aka RMW) comes out with a better solution, this EvoTech tune gets my vote as the way to go. Everyone with their UniCraps can enjoy their CEL's and harness problems until then.

Oh and Bigshot....its not a "best guess tune." At least at DynoComp it isn't. I know Monorails tune was tailored on the dyno for his car and how it was performing on the dyno at the time. The RMW Dimsport tune is going to be the exact same way. Granted I'm thinking Jan might be able to get some better numbers out of it, but only time will tell. And believe me...I'm one of the biggest RMW/Jan supporters here.

 

I have to agree.... it may not be perfect but right now, there seems to be only two choices.... stage I JCW or the mini madness ecu retune.

I don't like piggybacks and though there may be a few people that have had success with the unichip, it's obvious that is the exception and not the norm.

Your only other choice is GIAC which I still haven't heard anyone on here getting. They advertised as being available back in Feb. and 6 months later, I have only heard of 1 or 2 people getting it.

So I guess the mini madness is the only game in town for under a grand. If you can afford it, you take what you can take.

I'm too impatient and couldn't wait any longer. I had to go for the stage I kit. It may not be the fastest thing out there but at least I know I'm not going to see any CEL's or worry if the dealer is going to find out....

Mark

 

The EVO tune is just that.......a canned best guess. It is not a custom tune. They may have put it on a dyno, but there is no tweaking of the tune once it is on the car. It simply remaps the ECU.

Unless there is some difference between what MM has available and what monorail had done.

 

There is a difference. DynoComp relay's information and data to Germany for EvoTech to alter the software, they DO tweak the software. I don't know if this is the case for monorail actually...but I know of one other member on her that has had that done. I'm not sure to what extent they have access to in the ECU, but they do alter it.

Google EvoTech USA, DynoComp is the main distributor for it, and therefore has very close ties and the ability to work with EvoTech in Germany. Much of EvoTech's software for various cars has actually been done at DynoComp, on their own dyno.

 

although i do admit to being stupid . I have the new 4th gen of the alta pnp harness. and my r56 kicks a**. the unichip is running fine and i just played even steven with a mazda speed 3. I do agree that this is not the perfect solution but it works well. no side effects, hey its just like steroids. atleast thats what i have heard

 

Do they do this for every ecu or are did they do it for one and use the same tables for everyone?

Apparently there isn't much difference in most minis because it seems that everyone is doing the same thing.... making a tune and utilizing it for everyone. It seems that Jan (even though he doesn't do the R56 yet) is the only one actually using a dyno to tune the ecu.

I guess these little cars are as sensitive to changes like bigger engines where "one size does not fit all"

Mark

 

I think this is the case, using monorails car to tune the tune. MM states that you send them the ecu to tune, no way to tweak that on a dyno.

If you read the links I posted above you would see the dramatic differences between cars with the same mods, some as much 15hp difference.

 

I know of at least 2 cars they've done it with, and I don't even know if they did with monorail's, just assuming so.

Also, I don't think your understanding that DynoComp has no connection to MM. They sell some MM products, but their tuning is done directly with the help of EvoTech. Therefore buying it there might be a bit different than merely ordering the tune from MM's website, which in that case yes it is a canned tune.

 

So we're back to a tune in a can... They tune one car and use the same tune for all the ECM's sent in....

Which is not any different than buying the JCW tune.

Guess that will be the reason why Jan's tune will blow my JCW tune away....

Mark

 

I realize Dynocomp has no relation to MM, but this thread was about what MM sells.

 

Who's Jan?