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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
Funny we were talking about HEADS

but it is also funny DON @ MTH says the same thing about your tunes and parts.

Seriously Lynn, your starting to sound like Don used to. The numbers of RMW parts sold is huge at this point. Look at how many tunes across the country he has done!

I've yet to see or here from an unhappy customer here on NAM or any other board (I'm on a lot of them). All you here is how happy people are.

I get you don't like him but the amount of time you spend on him is crazy. People like him because he sells great products that work at great prices. On top of that he goes out his way to help everyone he can.

That said if you have had great success making products and increasing power for people I have yet to see or here from one person. You yourself have made it very clear that you will never post numbers either on a dyno, 1/4 mile or a road course to show you have made ANY power.

Sorry man but until you step up to the plate the bla bla bla bla you constantly talk is fluff.

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
I have seen a bunch of these hand ported ones on the dyno while tuning cars. Anything is almost better than stock but to get the kinds of numbers we are getting you have to take it to a whole different level
Oh, your head, cam, header combo definitely pulls higher numbers than mine...no doubt there. I'm sure I'd be alot closer if I did it full time(Performance specialist), instead of worrying about what's wrong with the EWS, CAN bus, squeek in top etc....I'm not trying to be in competion with anyone though, just myself.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chadtoolio
Oh, your head, cam, header combo definitely pulls higher numbers than mine...no doubt there. I'm sure I'd be alot closer if I did it full time(Performance specialist), instead of worrying about what's wrong with the EWS, CAN bus, squeek in top etc....I'm not trying to be in competion with anyone though, just myself.

Chad,

it wasn't meant in that way. I was merely stating that I have seen many heads that were hand ported that offered decent gains and for the money spent its a deal. Getting these cars to 250whp is much harder.

Much time is spent doing the little things that add up to a much bigger gain.
I know you are full aware of this I am just pointing this out to the people who are here to learn.

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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wait wait it's my turn! All the other "famed" members of NAM have said something.

Ok I got nothing.

OH OH!

I think there's allot of MINI vendors who have been using the P.T. Barnum sale system.

Now that the community is getting wise, thanks in part to people like me and WHOLEY to people like RMW. They realize. There's a reason people use Dynos. There's a reason Technology has allowed us to advance beyond guessing. Even CNC, it's perfect everytime.

Anyone who has spent a great amount of time with porting heads knows. The MINI heads are so far off from head to head, it takes allot to get them all the same. Now that's vauge yes. Can give it all away.

I think it's funny all the BS talking.

You know, competition is awesome. It's exciting. It makes things FUN and WORTHWHILE.

Sadly. There isnt any. I mean sure there's some small competition between my self, Jan, Hubie, Brian, Paul, maybe some others. But over all we are all working tward a common goal.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
Chad,

it wasn't meant in that way. I was merely stating that I have seen many heads that were hand ported that offered decent gains and for the money spent its a deal. Getting these cars to 250whp is much harder.

Much time is spent doing the little things that add up to a much bigger gain.
I know you are full aware of this I am just pointing this out to the people who are here to learn.

jan
Funny how you can't tell emotions from some letters....I was saying, I know you've put lots of work in to make the numbers you make and I'm ok with not putting out the same HP...it's to be expected, just as I would probably be a certain percentage faster or more knowledgeable at the things I "specialize" in. I just don't ever suscribe to the thought that I can't do something...It's all in the sig at the bottom
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:24 PM
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Chris...

Originally Posted by Tüls
wait wait it's my turn! All the other "famed" members of NAM have said something.

Ok I got nothing.
I saw you'd posted and was hoping for some pithy slam! Damn, disapointed again!

I'm just reading watching the internet poooo slinging fest!

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tüls
You know, competition is awesome. It's exciting. It makes things FUN and WORTHWHILE.

Sadly. There isnt any. .
Unfortunatly this thread has had none of that
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Unfortunatly this thread has had none of that
Nope just a bunch of hairless pink primates making noise. With a few that actually figured out how to do stuff with the rocks we fashioned into tools.

Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
I saw you'd posted and was hoping for some pithy slam! Damn, disapointed again!

I'm just reading watching the internet poooo slinging fest!

Matt
Haha sorry man! It's just that when people are as delusional as they are in this thread, there is no point in trying to explain to them why 50 yr old technology is not a good way to make a point.

While history is hugely important to understanding what you are doing, technology is only getting exponential. The last 50 yrs of tech will be achieved in the next ten. It's will soon be so massive a rate of change most cant wrap their heads around it. But to site it as "the only way". That's like the old man telling the guy with the car that horses are the only way. Or for some painter/pen artist to tell me using computers to design graphics is in accurate and not art. The fact is, if you use ALL these things to your advantage, it's how you become the best.

As my sig used to say.

"Knowledge can be taught - but awareness can only be practiced. Knowledge may inform awareness, but can't replace it."

But there is a limit to awareness if you are not open to it. All your knowledge is also limited to your willingness to learn new things.

I am a little more evolved than that.



I was just telling a friend. I think there is ONE person I have ever considered a hero to me. Burt Rutan. It was 2006 at the TED talks that I finally understood why the thing that is competition I always hated was so important.

Burt Addressed the future of Space travel. Saying that if we don't Make it a private venture that there is NO COMPETITION. There for, it will go no where. So he was going to take it over and put "normal" people in space. Well, next year Virgin Galactic will be sending "non-professional astronauts" to space. Sure it's a HUGE price tag. But this is the first of it's kind. Who knows what will happen with competition. The next 20 yrs.


What does this all have to do with some land bound crap?

Jan was one of MANY that got screwed over by MINI vendors. Over promising and under delivering. So much so he became thier competition.

Now people ***** and moan. No one has touched what RMW is doing. Sure My self I have made more power than most. This was a personal goal and had nothing to do with THE MASSES.

The best part about what RMW has done. Unlike going to space. The parts are so reasonably priced that who would be stupid enough to buy anything else? I mean are you kidding me? BANG FOR BUCK. Why else would you buy performance products?

I grew up working on Cosworth cars. LOVED THE NAME. But you know, they just haven't done anything of REAL note in the MINI world. YOU KNOW WHY? cause they are busy!!! Are you serious? Any one who thinks they have time to worry about selling 10 heads to a few mini folks is silly. They have MUCH MUCH bigger fish to fry.


well, that was a nice long post that serves yet little purpose. Those who enjoy it. Thanks.

I hope to see you in space. Going from 161 mph to 770+ mph in ten seconds is something I cant wait to experience. Till then I'll drive my UNPOSSIBLE soon to be WHO KNOWS how much UNPOSSIBLE HP MINI
 

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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BRING ON THE POO SLINGING!!
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:03 PM
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At least I have something entertaining to read in the morning.

Banter is always good for motorvation, I'm sure Nitrominis has put some more effort into his head / inlet manifold (looks nice) tonight / tomorrow.

But as they say when the green light drops the b/s stops...............
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Webster
At least I have something entertaining to read in the morning.

Banter is always good for motorvation, I'm sure Nitrominis has put some more effort into his head / inlet manifold (looks nice) tonight / tomorrow.

But as they say when the green light drops the b/s stops...............
Well I would have to disagree on this statement, as cars are made to work at different levels. Case in point, watching the American Le Mans series race this weekend. The TDI Audis would get smoked out of the corners by the RS Spyder Porches, but then would run them down on the straights. So I would assume that the Porsche would beat the Audi in a drag race but thats all. Just my thoughts. BTW the Audis won
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Webster
At least I have something entertaining to read in the morning.

Banter is always good for motorvation, I'm sure Nitrominis has put some more effort into his head / inlet manifold (looks nice) tonight / tomorrow.

But as they say when the green light drops the b/s stops...............
Common Paul deep stag go on the second yellow and cut at least a .475 To slow on green and don't choke and haze off the line
 
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Well I would have to disagree on this statement, as cars are made to work at different levels. Case in point, watching the American Le Mans series race this weekend. The TDI Audis would get smoked out of the corners by the RS Spyder Porches, but then would run them down on the straights. So I would assume that the Porsche would beat the Audi in a drag race but thats all. Just my thoughts. BTW the Audis won

Hence why Drag Racing is the be all end all to showing if you make REAL POWER. Handling and driver skill can always be debated. On the drag strip, if you run an MPH... it shows what yer putting down.

Case and point. Before we got the car dialed in we ran slower times. However, the MPH was still high. Showing we were making power.

This discussion is not new. Just the same old excuses.

I think I am going to quote Paul. Cuase it's so true. Put up or Shut up.

"when the green light drops the b/s stops..............."
 
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 03:24 AM
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For what it is worth my Thumper head made more hp than a cosworth head on the same dyno...don't know what other mods the car had, but the main thing is the Thumper head is half the price
 
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tüls
Hence why Drag Racing is the be all end all to showing if you make REAL POWER. Handling and driver skill can always be debated. On the drag strip, if you run an MPH... it shows what yer putting down.

Case and point. Before we got the car dialed in we ran slower times. However, the MPH was still high. Showing we were making power.

This discussion is not new. Just the same old excuses.

I think I am going to quote Paul. Cuase it's so true. Put up or Shut up.

"when the green light drops the b/s stops..............."
Ok, so I think what i'm saying is that I belive the Porcshe would win a 1/4 mile drag race, but the Audi has MORE power. From Wiki: Porsche RS Spyder has 503bhp and 385nm of torque. The Audi R10 TDI has 650bhp and 1100nm of torque. So POWER comes in different ways, no? I'm just askin, as i'm kinda old and hard headed
 
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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Kind of...

Power is work per unit time. What's missing from those numbers is what RPM they happen at. FWIW, my mom had an EV-1. Over 1300 ft-lbs of torque. But it would be smoked by either of those cars. Maybe not in the first 50 feet though....

Matt
 
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
Ok, so I think what i'm saying is that I belive the Porcshe would win a 1/4 mile drag race, but the Audi has MORE power. From Wiki: Porsche RS Spyder has 503bhp and 385nm of torque. The Audi R10 TDI has 650bhp and 1100nm of torque. So POWER comes in different ways, no? I'm just askin, as i'm kinda old and hard headed


What Paul was talking about when he said that was NOT about racing two+ cars. If you run A car in the 1/4. The TRAP SPEED will tell you what the car is making. It was the only Dyno before Dynos existed. It still works today.

that's why I love when people talk about how drag racing is pointless. It's like, ok well I turned a 1:01 at lime rock. What does that mean. It means the car is fast sure, and I am fast sure. But it doesnt tell you what power you have.


Now to go with yer train of thought. I'll put my $ on RMW against any performance head for the MINI right now. Take two stock cars then add head + tune. Race on any road course.
 
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