I'm considering either buying a M7 Stage 2 Tuning kit or getting a kit from BBR that has about equal power of 250bhp. What would you guys recommend?
Any help i can get is greatly appreciated!! :D

 

What is an M7 Stage 2 Tuning Kit? Who is BBR? Please provide links.

 

What year is the MINI?

Is this for a 1st Gen MINI? Then if so is the post is in the wrong area. If not and is for a 2nd Gen, M7 does not advertise a Stage 2 kit at this time.

 

http://www.m7tuning.com/parts/produc...products_id=16

http://www.morego.co.uk/bbr-gti/mini.php

I was kinda hoping to find some help on the specific company if you knew them.

 

The stage 2 kit is for the R53. Post your question in the 1st generation forum. If you have an R56, then you might to read the fine print with MINI-related products before you purchase because the majority of them will not be compatible with both generations.

 

Both the links are for 1st Gen MINI's I'm going to assume that this is a 1st gen car and move the thread to the proper forum.

 

Someone on here used to have the Cosworth kit but upgraded to a Jan top end. I read it a few weeks ago but forget who it was. PGT, maybe? Can't remember. Poke around, you may figure it out.

 

igosec I think it was.

My 2 cents...for what its worth....

Do more research

 

RMW....

 

Just compare RMW feedback to Cosworth feedback.

 

Dont waste your money with M7 products. Go RMW, and just with a head and a cam you should be able to make plenty of power. Talk to Jan and he will guide you towards your goal.

 

Is there a website that i could visit for RMW products? and are they available in Canada?

 

There is, but his website isn't updated yet. Just visit the vendor section and get his number. Meanwhile you can search RWM and see all the great producuts and succes he has with these little motors.

 

I'm the one who had the Cosworth crap. It is just that. DON'T waste your money- please! Go RMW.

By the way, who told you that you would get 250 hp from the M7 kit? That's CRAZY. It never made 200 whp on mine. Then, my car blew.

Again, skip M7 and go RMW.

 

Your a fool. I'd like to see you say that to their face. Hmm. Cosworth as been in the race business for how many years????????? 30 - 40. I'm am not saying that RMW does not make extreme quality stuff, but to say Cosworth is crap, your a fool. I'll put this in so you can see of what they are and do:
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When the chequered flag came out at the end of the 2006 Brazilian Grand Prix, it brought down the curtain, at least temporarily, on a 39 year Formula One odyssey that took Cosworth from a dream to becoming the second most successful manufacturer in the Formula's history. Only Ferrari has won more races and no one has supplied more teams.

It was a particular irony that Cosworth's final season in F1 saw it produce its best engine since the heady days of the DFV, Keith Duckworth's brilliant piece of innovative engineering which was the cornerstone on which the business was developed. The 2006 CA engine was acknowledged throughout the Formula One paddock as the benchmark against which all the new V8's had to be measured. With 20,000 rpm available for qualifying from the first race of the season and 20,000 rpm available for the whole race by the end of the season Cosworth was rightly proud of the CA but race results were disappointing.

Since it was formed in 1958 by Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth, Cosworth has become the most successful engine manufacturer in history, with a string of driver and manufacturer titles to its credit in a wide range of formulae with impressive performances in IRL, Champ Car, WRC, sportscars and MotoGP.

Cosworth began life in a small workshop in London in 1958. However, things quickly grew and a move to larger premises was soon required. The company moved to north London, where it began working on the development of the Ford 105E engine. Cosworth actually achieved its first victory when Jim Clark took a win in the Formula Junior category in his Lotus 18 at Goodwood in 1960.

By the mid 1960s, the company had moved to Northampton where bigger prospects were around the corner. In 1966, Duckworth signed a contract with Ford to develop a new three-liter Formula One engine, and the legendary DFV was born. It got its first taste of victory in 1967, when Jim Clark again provided the maiden victory at the Dutch Grand Prix. The DFV, in subsequent development guises, went on to dominate the sport for 15 years and clinched 155 race wins during that time.

A host of famous names benefited from Costin and Duckworth's approach. Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, James Hunt and Nelson Piquet all took championships using Cosworth engines during the 1970s.

During the 1970s Cosworth engines crossed the Atlantic to take the Indy/CART world by storm. There, the DFX version of the F1 powerplant began to take an incredible 151 race wins in a 14-year reign, culminating in ten driver's championships and ten Indianapolis 500 victories.

As the 1980s became the 90s, Cosworth continued to provide winning power, with the Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 taking the 1987 Touring Car world title and the Cosworth-powered Ford Mondeo winning the World titles for Paul Radisich in 1993 and 1994.



In Formula One, the DFV was replaced by the HB which won 11 races between 1989 and 1993, and this was in turn superseded by in 1994 by the Zetec V8 F1 engine which powered Michael Schumacer's first world drivers's title in its first year.

The XB engine burst onto the Indy car scene in 1992 to re launch Cosworth as a major player and that was the foundation for a family of engines which are still in use today. The XB was a success both on and off the track and sales of this unit led directly to Cosworth being awarded the Queens Award for Export Achievement.

Nigel Mansell's 1993 CART championship and Jacques Villeneuve's 1995 Indy 500 win were both provided by Cosworth power. In rallying, the Ford Escort Cosworth notched up numerous wins during the 1990s and the Duratec-R engine in the Focus WRC gave Ford more success.

A partnership was formed with Opel in the mid 1990's which culminated in winning the DTM International Touring Car Championship in 2006. These were heady times for Cosworth who supplied the whole of the newly formed IRL series with the XB.

Cosworth was bought by Ford in 1998 and the company became works engine suppliers to Stewart Grand Prix and its successor Jaguar Racing. Johnny Herbert secured Stewart Grand Prix's first and only GP win in 1999 and the final win for Ford (and Cosworth's 176th) in F1 came in 2003 when Fisichella won the Brazilian Grand Prix.

In 2000 Cosworth won the inaugural CART manufacturers championship and two years later secured a groundbreaking relationship with the organization to become the exclusive engine supplier to the series. Success also continued in the wider business arena and in 2003 Cosworth was voted the MIA business of the year.

In 2004, Cosworth was purchased by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven, co owners of the Champ Car World Series (successor to CART) and success continued with a number of wins for Marco Martin in the World rally Championship.

The story continues with new road engine contracts from both Aston Martin and Caterham inked in 2005 and an exclusive supply arrangement with Formula Atlantic secured for 2006 the story continues through to the present day and the most powerful V8 engine in the history of Formula One.

Cosworth's rich and varied history is set to continue, with activities as diverse as Racing, Aerospace, and Confidential Consultancy work as the company approaches its 50th Anniversary.

 

I don't think anyone is doubting Cosworth as a legend in the business overall but more trying to say that for a MINI, there are better items to be had. Example: Just like using GT40 heads on a 5.0 Mustang. You'll see an improvement but there are better things to be had.

 

Yes. And Ferrari and McLaren are at the top of F1 and there is hardly anyone who would not be willing to give up their family jewels for one of their products. But in a Mini application, not so much.

 

Something makes me think http://www.m7tuning.com/parts/produc...roducts_id=133 that M7 sells is much different from this Cosworth head that Cosworth has available as well. Could be the one advertised has this little drop down to add the big valves and is a $2000 option over the standard one, bringing the total to 3700.00, $200 more then Cosworth lists the head for.

Cosworth does make some great stuff. However they also engineer to spec. I'd hazard to guess that the head ingsoc had was not the big valve one, I could be wrong too. Then again tne Cosworth Big Valve Head is $3500 and the RMW one is $2000 last I checked. Just to make sure we are comparing apples to apples the the Cosworth Big Valve does not require a core charge while the RMW one does, but it's no where close to the $1500 difference.

 

Well thats not what I got out of his post BTW, Cosworth does make another head, not marketed by M7. See the post above.

 

Just trying to stay neutral, that's all. I think I'll have something to eat and let this battle rage on between people who are more in the know.

 

Au contraire my M7 loving friend. Look at the drop downs on the M7 Head page and you will see a version choice. For a mere $200 more than Cosworth advertises the Big Valve Head for you can buy the Big Valve Head from M7.

 

So, do you have a problem with M7? I thought:
..............P.S. thanks for the info on that, that must be new to their site.

 

It's well known that Peter of M7 and I don't see eye to eye on a lot things. I am still allowed to have an opinion as a moderator. You think his advertising dollars pay me off not to speak my mind? If Internet Brands says to me I can't moderate and speak my mind I'll quit.

This is a big site with over 55,000 members, impossible to have a good rapport with all others and still be honest to ones self.

 

Thats cool, I have no problem that you and Peter don't see eye to eye. But why drag me down with it? ......P.S. you get paid?

 

I am a fool- I bought it when it was released, with no data available at the time, based entirely on the heritage of Cosworth. It did squat for my car (I have proof). The head that they sell in their 6k dollar kit is the stock-valve version. It doesn't work.

Honestly, I'm surprised that no one has sued M7 for false advertising because they advertise a "Cosworth Port-Matched Intake Manifold" and the truth is that Peter does these himself. Why do I believe this? Well, while awaiting my pieces, I called Peter and he said in the process of our conversation, "I'm finishing up your intake manifold right now." No lie.

Anyways, JIMINI... I don't have to prove that I'm more honest than you or that I am not lying. I expect you to come back and try to rep M7 without even the slightest bit of knowledge about this kit. Sure, I am biased by BAD experience. What is it that biases you? Why do you feel a need to question my honesty?